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EldarKinSlayer
How am I able to be the one who starts this thread????? Morena was beautiful alluring and completely believably evil biggrin.gif Alan was a MAJOR surprise especially since he wil be in next weeks show LOL!!!!!!! I LOVED IT!!!!! I loved the original back in he 80's too!
Raycheetah
The first new show in a long time I'll actually commit to making the time to watch. So far, it is a great update of the original, and I look forward to more. =^[.]^=
Raycheetah
Oh, there's some shiny stuff in the V "companion" thread, too. =^[.]^=
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 4 2009, 06:29 AM) *
The first new show in a long time I'll actually commit to making the time to watch. So far, it is a great update of the original, and I look forward to more. =^[.]^=

I found it rushed, lacking depth, and all-too reliant on the fact that it's a remake and, hence, would have an audience already familiar with the story.

Hopefully episode 2 improves upon things.
RaiderDave2112
I wasn't all that impressed with the series either, one of my main problems was what if one of the "infiltrators" who have been on Earth for some time end up injured and in a hospital? A small problem with the series to be sure but it shows the lack of thought that has gone into the series.

I didn't notice that it seemed to some to have been about Obama but one item that did make me laugh was the bit where the reporter was interviewing Anne and she mentioned giving all humanity healthcare, and the Reporter guy acts all shocked saying "Your talking about Universal Healthcare" like its the strangest notion in the universe. I hate to be the one to bring this up but America is one of the few countries that dosen't have a universal healthcare system.

To be honest the series was meh, I don't know whether to bother with it or not.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (RaiderDave2112 @ Nov 4 2009, 01:21 PM) *
I wasn't all that impressed with the series either, one of my main problems was what if one of the "infiltrators" who have been on Earth for some time end up injured and in a hospital? A small problem with the series to be sure but it shows the lack of thought that has gone into the series.

I didn't notice that it seemed to some to have been about Obama but one item that did make me laugh was the bit where the reporter was interviewing Anne and she mentioned giving all humanity healthcare, and the Reporter guy acts all shocked saying "Your talking about Universal Healthcare" like its the strangest notion in the universe. I hate to be the one to bring this up but America is one of the few countries that dosen't have a universal healthcare system.

To be honest the series was meh, I don't know whether to bother with it or not.

I'm going to follow my usual rule: watch three episodes, then decide.
BitsyBoo
QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Nov 4 2009, 11:45 AM) *
I'm going to follow my usual rule: watch three episodes, then decide.

Sounds like good advice to me.
DarthMarley
I still have not watched it.

I hear great things about it, but I fear that it will suffer from the network "retooling" that hit the show around episode 6.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 02:30 PM) *
I still have not watched it.

I hear great things about it, but I fear that it will suffer from the network "retooling" that hit the show around episode 6.

Yeah... first the WGA strike, now the Olympics!

Will TV disasters never cease???
RaiderDave2112
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 07:30 PM) *
I still have not watched it.

I hear great things about it, but I fear that it will suffer from the network "retooling" that hit the show around episode 6.


From what I read on EZTV, I thought that they were only showing the first 4 episodes this year then resuming the series in spring 2010, the article also mentions that production was halted while the various producers worked out their differences or something.
Raycheetah
Some reports on the show:

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Leapin' lizards! ABC's 'V' premiere lands big ratings

V leader They came, they saw, they conquered primetime.

ABC's "V" premiere was Tuesday's highest-rated program in the adult demo, cracking usual leader CBS' drama-series choke-hold on the evening.

"V" was seen by 13.9 million viewers and had a 5.0 preliminary rating among adults 18-49.

That's the biggest scripted series premiere rating for a freshman show this fall.* And particularly impressive for a show that's self-starting ABC's lineup (it's the highest-rated 8 p.m. drama series debut since ... ABC's "Lost," actually). Compared to the "Shark Tank" average in the time period, "V" was up a rather dizzying 213%.

"V" bested tough competition from "NCIS" (19.4 million, 4.2), which nonetheless ranked as the evening's most-watched show. The alien invasion drama gained 4% from its first half hour to its second.

Critics were a bit all over the map on "V", ranging from a rave in USA Today to NY Times calling it slapdash and formulaic to Hollywood Reporter landing somewhere in between. (Most agreed, however, that the scene below rocked).



Since a dissatisfied ABC changed showrunners on the series after seeing the first four episodes, it should be interesting to see if "V" is able to maintain its ratings strength over the coming weeks. If it does, ABC will bring back the show starting with Episode 5 in March. ABC's other new sci-fi drama, "FlashForward," also launched strong in an 8 p.m. slot, but has since softened in the ratings amid some viewer frustration and a showrunner shakeup.

The 8 p.m. "V" surge put ABC just a tenth of a point behind CBS for the nightly win. "NCIS" wasn't impacted much by "V," slouching 11% from its last original airing two weeks ago. "NCIS: Los Angeles" (15 million, 3.5) was down 10%. "Good Wife" (12.2 million, 2.7) won 10 p.m. and slipped a tenth.

After "V," audiences didn't stick around to boost ABC's "Dancing With the Stars" (14.5 million, 3.1), which was only up a tenth -- very different crowds. "The Forgotten" (7.6 million, 2.0) was also steady.

NBC's two-hour "Biggest Loser" (9 million, 3.4) was down 16% to tie its season low, though topped 9 p.m. "The Jay Leno Show" (5.9 million, 2.0) had a welcome rise from last Tuesday -- up 11%. Fox's "So You Think You Can Dance" (6.1 million, 2.4) slipped a tenth. The CW's "90210" (2.1 million, 1.1) was on par while "Melrose Place" (1.5 million, 0.8) gained a bit.

* Might change in the nationals if "V" slips -- "Cleveland Show" drew a 4.9 for its premiere ...


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'Chuck' This Out: 'V' Gets a New Leader

By Josef Adalian
Published: November 03, 2009

ABC's "V" is getting "Chuck"-ed.

The red-hot alien drama, which premieres tonight following glowing reviews, has nonetheless made a change at the top. Original showrunner Scott Peters has been replaced by "Chuck" alum Scott Rosenbaum, ABC confirmed Tuesday.

Peters will retain an executive producer credit on "V" and is still on staff at the show as of Tuesday morning. But Rosenbaum, an executive producer on "Chuck" (and "The Shield"), will now be at the helm.

UPDATE 1:40 p.m. CDT: Insiders also confirm that writer/executive producer Jeffrey Bell ("Alias") has left "V."

The showrunner shift had been anticipated in Hollywood circles for weeks, since ABC and Warner Bros. TV made the joint decision to halt production on the series in order to get scripts in shape. According to USA Today, which broke the news of the shuffle, Peters was removed from his post last Thursday.

"V" begins a four-episode run tonight at 8. It's scheduled to return in March for the remainder of its first season.


Let's see how this goes. =^[.]^=
DarthMarley
QUOTE (RaiderDave2112 @ Nov 4 2009, 02:28 PM) *
From what I read on EZTV, I thought that they were only showing the first 4 episodes this year then resuming the series in spring 2010, the article also mentions that production was halted while the various producers worked out their differences or something.


Right.
They are airing 4 episodes and then the others after Olympic coverage, or something like that.
And production stopped after ep 6 for a retool and WGA arbitration as they tried to shaft Kenn Johnson out of any royalties for this remake.

The show runner was also changed.
And the network is meddling.

Not good signs.
Raycheetah
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 05:24 PM) *
Right.
They are airing 4 episodes and then the others after Olympic coverage, or something like that.
And production stopped after ep 6 for a retool and WGA arbitration as they tried to shaft Kenn Johnson out of any royalties for this remake.

The show runner was also changed.
And the network is meddling.

Not good signs.

I just think of it as a miniseries, and hope for the best. =0[.]o=
DarthMarley
I want to see lizard boob!
Raycheetah
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 08:29 PM) *
I want to see lizard boob!

Umm... Google "Morena Baccarin Death in Love"? ='[.]'=
BitsyBoo
QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Nov 4 2009, 01:05 PM) *
Yeah... first the WGA strike, now the Olympics!

Will TV disasters never cease???

laugh.gif I checked out the Caprica suspensions that you told me about, and the starts and stops there don't bode well either. Yes, JE is trying to blame it on the Olympics, but even a Siffy exec said they were stopping production for script reasons. At least maybe we'll get a better product in the end out of all this script re-tooling, though I don't have much faith in Caprica.

QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 06:29 PM) *
I want to see lizard boob!

Adolescent.
Raycheetah
QUOTE (BitsyBoo @ Nov 5 2009, 12:43 AM) *
Adolescent.


Nope. Dirty old man. =~[.]^=
Motoki
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 4 2009, 12:48 PM) *
Some reports on the show:
...
Let's see how this goes. =^[.]^=


Audiences will tune in for SciFi shows but they have ADD and will not stick around. Look at BSG, T:SCC or even the original V.

Mind you, writing tends to be better also when there is a set contained story to tell. Once things move to an indefinite end the waters get muddied and the quality is rarely sustained.

Personally, I think for science fiction entertainment on television it's better to have (GOOD) movies of the week or mini series vs a tv series. They almost never last. Even standards like Stargate and Trek haven't been doing so hot and have had to resort to retooling and rebooting etc etc.

QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 05:29 PM) *
I want to see lizard boob!


Reptiles have no need of mammory glands. tongue.gif

Actually, in the original (the series?) I think someone laid an egg.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (BitsyBoo @ Nov 5 2009, 12:43 AM) *
laugh.gif I checked out the Caprica suspensions that you told me about, and the starts and stops there don't bode well either. Yes, JE is trying to blame it on the Olympics, but even a Siffy exec said they were stopping production for script reasons. At least maybe we'll get a better product in the end out of all this script re-tooling, though I don't have much faith in Caprica.

Who does?
BitsyBoo
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 4 2009, 10:46 PM) *
Nope. Dirty old man. =~[.]^=

Doesn't dirty old man = chronologically-challenged adolescent?

QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Nov 5 2009, 07:33 PM) *
Who does?

Maxbell - I figure that since he cried at the end of BSG, he'll cry at the start of Caprica. tongue.gif
Raycheetah
Meh. Might as well put this here as in the Whedonverse board thread:

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'V' Star Morena Baccarin Is No Cold-Blooded Alien

Posted Thursday 05 November 05:43 PM By: Jenna Busch

Morena Baccarin, star of alien remake 'V,' is Anna, the head of the alien visitors. She's beautiful and cool as a cucumber, but underneath it all, she's...well, she's a lizard. In the pilot, we catch a glimpse of character's true nature - and in real life, we catch a glimpse of something much sweeter. PopEater chatted exclusively with the Brazilian-born actress about the show, whether or not she's going to have to eat a rodent, her loyal 'Firefly' fans and how she feels about today's reports that the show mimics the Obama presidency. She even talks about her famous haircut.

First of all, congratulations on last night's great ratings!

"Thank you!"

I've been told to ask you only questions that would "paint you in a positive light."

"[laughs] Excellent! That's what I like to hear. But 'feel free to ask anything'."

I have to get this out of the way since I know it's probably the first thing you get asked. The rodents...

"[laughs] Oh yeah!"

In the original 'V', the head alien, Diana, ate a rodent. Were you nervous about that during the audition?

"It wasn't really a thought that crossed my mind right away, but then I realized as I got the job, oh crap. After I YouTube'd it, I remembered. [laughs] And I knew, obviously, that it wasn't in the pilot script. There were a lot of jokes by the producers about being ready for the hamsters. But I haven't had to do it yet. I think that their position is, let's wait but let's also give the people what they want. I think that they want to do it in a different way. Pay homage to that moment without necessarily sticking a hamster down my throat."

Now, should that actually happen, are you OK with rodents?

"You know, I don't love 'em! [laughs] It's not necessarily something I look forward to. I don't know. I think I have to wait and see when I'm in the room with it. I might have a total freak out."

I know there are going to be nods to the classic series. Have you filmed any that were surprising to you?

"Yeah, there were some really great things in the script. The stories have been really, really fun. We're not just redoing the original. We're updating it. I thought it was wonderful the way they adapted the script to embody the fears we have today, post 9/11. Things like that that really make sense in today's world."

Anna is a very different sort of V leader than Diana was in the original. What sort of things have you done to make her your own?

"Well, I have a memory of the original from when I was little and watched it, but I don't really remember everything she did. This character is very different. I remember the character of Diana being very, very evil. And I think that, in order to do the show well in today's world, we have to be a little more subtle. I think it's a lot creepier when there is more manipulation, and a subtly to it that you can't quite figure out why you don't trust this person. So that's more what I'm going for. I want people to be drawn to her and to follow her in spite of themselves, but have this intuition that something is terribly wrong."

I don't know if you've been on the web this morning, but there are a bunch of stories about V paralleling the Obama campaign...the show talks about hope and change and universal health care, and it premiered on November 2nd. What do you think about all that?

"I don't know. I think it's great that people are talking about it. But I think people have opinions about everything, and we have this compulsion, I think, in our culture, to put everything in a box and say that's what it is, because then we can understand it. And it certainly does echo that a little bit. It echos the Obama campaign. But I think that would be so rude to say that Obama is an alien or is Anna. [laughs] I mean, the man is the President of our country. I think that there's a sense of irony in our show...a realistic irony, that it takes aliens to give us health care. It is so difficult to get anything passed. To get this whole health care thing figured out. I think it's kind of funny and it speaks of our culture, and the fact that we are looking for somebody to rescue us, and pull us out of this hole we got ourselves into. And it might as well be an alien. [laughs]"

When I mentioned that I was doing this interview, one of the main things I was asked to ask you was your decision to cut your hair. You also got no less than seven marriage proposals.

[laughs]

Do you think it's strange that people are so focused on a haircut?

"Yeah, it's a little weird for me. I'm obviously inside myself so I can't tell what people are seeing, but I do think it's a little odd. I mean, it's very complimentary, and if people don't like it, oh well. What can I do? And it's a little odd that again, we kind of obsess in this culture about labeling people, and, 'Ooh, what does that mean?' or 'What does that represent?' I think it's very appropriate for this character. I had my hair cut short before for another film role I did, and I just happened to keep it because I thought it was unique and I felt very comfortable in it. And when this all came about I thought, wow, this is perfect for this role because it's different. And a lot of people are afraid to do this to themselves, to give themselves such a drastic haircut, because they're afraid of what people are going to think. And I thought it would be really amazing to have a leader with this haircut. I think it's a really fun addition to the character. And you know, if people want to talk about my hair, great! [laughs] Let's talk about it!"

Most of the comments were positive, by the way. I just thought it was interesting that there were so many of them!

"Yeah! It was like that with Jennifer Aniston for a while. Everyone wanted the Jennifer Aniston haircut."

Maybe you'll start a trend. It might be interesting to see on the show...everyone emulating Anna's haircut.

I know, right? That would be really funny. Although it would take a lot of people cutting their hair.

Your face is on billboards everywhere and all over TV. How has this experience been different from the one you had with 'Firefly'?

"It's been unique. It's been very different to be recognized on the street and have everybody looking at me, going, 'Oh my god, it's that girl!' Yesterday was my first experience with that. Yesterday after the show aired. And it's very exciting, but it's a little weird, I have to admit. [laughs] I kind of feel like I have to prepare myself, but I don't know exactly what to prepare myself for. It's really, really unbelievably exciting and I'm thrilled to be a part of it. I'm really glad that people are watching the show. I'm having a really great time doing it."

I know they are showing the series in 'pods' and there have been some reports of production issues. How much have you filmed and when do you start shooting again?

"We filmed four episodes and they're all in November, and we go back into production in January... we have a little break right now."

Have you seen the scripts? Do you know if they feel different?

"I haven't seen the new scripts. I don't know if they've been written yet. There have been changes and things going on and to be honest, I'm a little out of the loop. As actors we just basically get the script and we shoot what we're given. It's been fun. I mean, there's all this talk of stuff happening. There's been some changes made. We haven't felt major...we haven't gotten like, 'Oh my god we can't shoot this scene!' They've been taking care of it and it's all been...with a show like this, it's so high profile and there are so many things about the show that they are really careful with every detail. I just think everybody is being extra careful and really attentive, which is a wonderful thing, because we want to but the best product out there."

Joss Whedon fans and 'Firefly'/'Serenity' fans can be rather vocal. Is there a line that people yell out at you on the street?

"The 'Firefly' fans that I've encountered are super shy, really sweet, and they kind of look at me and decide whether or not they're going to say something. You can see the whole process happening. [laughs] And then they go, 'I really loved 'Firefly' and I'm really sorry that it didn't continue.' I mean, that's the big line. 'Why couldn't it have gone on and is there going to be more?' That's the biggest question I get."

Are you tired of being asked if there will be a 'Serenity 2'?

"No, it's a huge compliment. But I also feel bad because I wish I could say yes. But at this point, it's been a few years now. Maybe we should put it to rest."

[laughs] We're all sad about that.

"It was a great show!"

It certainly was! You know, I just read that your 'Firefly' costar Nathan Fillion asked you to do a 'Castle' guest spot. I know you couldn't do it, but would you do one in the future?

"I don't know. We've been texting each other and I know he's really excited about the prospect. It's an ABC show and I don't know how ABC would feel about that, so we'd have to run it by them. It's just a conversation that he and I have been having. I don't know if anything is actually being considered. But it would be fun and I would love to."

He did a little nod to 'Firefly' in the Halloween episode...

"Yeah! I heard about it but I didn't see it."

Since Joss Whedon likes to cast people he's worked with before, I have to ask this. Would you want to do a role in the 'Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog' sequel?

"Oh my god! I would love to! I'm not joking when I say, if Joss Whedon called me up and said, 'Do you want to come over and read a script for me?' I would be like, yes! I would do anything that man says."

So you'd be comfortable singing?

"No. But we'd figure that out. [laughs] I have a terrible voice. But I'm sure he could create me a character that would have a terrible voice."

Finally, why do you think the series strikes a chord in people?

"I think the idea of an alien invasion is something that we will forever be fascinated by. It's very vulnerable and it's something that plays at all of our vulnerabilities and fears as humans. So I think that in itself is an amazing subject matter. And the way the show is made, I think, is so intriguing. The original was obviously relevant at the time. In the eighties. And it was a social commentary at that time. And ours definitely taps into the fear we have now, that we can't trust our neighbors. So I think that the show becomes very relevant and hits close to home, and people worry, and gravitate towards that."


=^[.]^=
chill
I disagree that the new show depends on the first. I barely recall the first series, just a glimmer at the back of my brain, but I didn't need to recall any of it to enjoy the first ep. I liked it, and will DVR it so I can watch it on the weekends when my time is not claimed by work and my early bedtimes. I thought the acting was pretty darned good, especially Morena and her evil female ways. I'd say, even if it turns out to not be as good as some others, it is much better than most of the dreck on right now, so I'll watch it anyway.
Raycheetah
QUOTE (chill @ Nov 9 2009, 07:25 AM) *
I disagree that the new show depends on the first. I barely recall the first series, just a glimmer at the back of my brain, but I didn't need to recall any of it to enjoy the first ep. I liked it, and will DVR it so I can watch it on the weekends when my time is not claimed by work and my early bedtimes. I thought the acting was pretty darned good, especially Morena and her evil female ways. I'd say, even if it turns out to not be as good as some others, it is much better than most of the dreck on right now, so I'll watch it anyway.

Exactly. =^[.]^=
chill
So, Folkses, what did you think of last night's ep?

I will be watching it this weekend, but I love spoilers!!
RaiderDave2112
QUOTE (chill @ Nov 11 2009, 11:19 AM) *
So, Folkses, what did you think of last night's ep?

I will be watching it this weekend, but I love spoilers!!



Not very good, the series still feels slightly off, as IMO it has been very poorly scripted. I can see why someone else was brought in to oversee the series.
RaiderDave2112
QUOTE (chill @ Nov 9 2009, 12:25 PM) *
I disagree that the new show depends on the first. I barely recall the first series, just a glimmer at the back of my brain, but I didn't need to recall any of it to enjoy the first ep. I liked it, and will DVR it so I can watch it on the weekends when my time is not claimed by work and my early bedtimes. I thought the acting was pretty darned good, especially Morena and her evil female ways. I'd say, even if it turns out to not be as good as some others, it is much better than most of the dreck on right now, so I'll watch it anyway.



Well there wouldn't be this show if it wasn't for the first miniseries then series. laugh.gif I guess die hard fans will be calling the new series VINO laugh.gif

I do remember the orignal series and from what I remember, the storyline was written better than the new series seems to be, judging from the first 2 episodes. I guess I'll just have to see the difference with next years episodes.
Raycheetah
More media analysis:

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What's 'V' really about?
A cute stranger arrives one day with free health care. Stop me if you've heard this one

Last Updated: 11:40 AM, November 10, 2009

At last, conservatives have our Tina Fey.

ABC's thrilling and politically potent new sci-fi series "V," whose second episode airs tonight at 8 on ABC, pits the paranoids against the Obamanoids -- and it's the paranoids who see the truth.

Through the honeyed tones of the alien leader Anna (Morena Baccarin), who wins over Earth in less time than it took President Obama to impress Planet Nobel, ABC promises to bring us an hour of devastating, witty and keenly on-point Obama satire every week in a series fuelled by the audacity of nope.

Who cares what the network news divisions are up to when their entertainment chiefs can okay something as fluent and fierce as this deft little raid on liberalism?

'V'ERY FAMILIAR: The alien leader, Anna (Morena Baccarin, right), in ABC's new series "V" has a lot in common with President Obama.

Like Obama, Anna offers an exciting mixture of the new (she's not a white male; how bad could she be?), the young (her hipster minions promote the new era of hope, with a nod to Shepard Fairey, by tagging the streets with spraypainted "V" logos) and the post-patriotically groovy.

"We don't divide ourselves into countries. We're one united people," Anna says of her civilization. Of his, the self-described "citizen of the world" Obama has said, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."

Anna's first big policy gimmick is to open hovering "healing centers," open to all without charge, over the world's great cities.

"You're talking about universal health care," says the journalist (Scott Wolf) interviewing her. Sure, she replies, and the world swoons. Who doesn't like free stuff?

"V" exec producers Scott Peters and Jeffrey Bell, who envision the show running for about four years (it isn't a miniseries like the original), tried to keep the ideology under wraps before the show debuted last week -- wittily, on election night, as voters in two Obama-voting states rebuked his favored candidates.

Peters and Bell have pointed out that the new "V" has been in development since the Bush years and say you could read it as one thing or another depending on your politics.

Sorry, fellas. That's as unconvincing as the "Don't vote for the fat guy" ad in New Jersey. Bush wasn't master of the youth vote, didn't promise free healing for all and was evidently a stranger to the Internets. "V" is no W.

Anna warns the TV anchorman before their interview, "Just be sure not to ask anything that would paint us in a negative light." She can get away with this because the anchor has already expressed approval of the V's (for visitors) on the air; with a little nudge in the same direction he can convince himself that an exclusive interview with Anna is what his career needs.

Picture a W instead of a V issuing this ultimatum. The anchor would become an overnight hero by broadcasting the scoop that the leader made soft questioning a condition of the interview. "Compromising one's principles for the greater good is not a shameful act," Anna tells the journalist. "It's a noble one." That the two of them fully agree on basic principles is a given.

At its most fiendish (and delectable), a resistance fighter and truth teller in the first episode suggested that the V's have been here for years, disguised and unnoticed. Their handiwork? Starting "unnecessary wars," fomenting "economic meltdown" and churning faith into "extremism."

This speech might be intended as affirmative action for liberal rage, or as reassurance that, à la "The X-Files" and "Fringe," every idea is invited when you're throwing a grand conspiracy party.

But to conservatives, this is the perfect cigar to savor after a sumptuous meal -- because it says that no matter who is nominally in charge, snaky, disingenuous liberalism is the ever-lurking villain. Kyle.Smith@nypost.com


Meh. I missed last night's ep. I'll have to find it online to watch it. ='[.]'=
Rowan
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 4 2009, 09:46 PM) *
Nope. Dirty old man. =~[.]^=


LOL that's more like it wink.gif
Rowan
With regards to the universal healthcare I just concluded that the Visitors needed a way to legitimately access people and what better way to get hords of them to come to you than by offereing something like "we can cure all your maladies". Rather than chasing down your prey and having to work hard to get them figure out a way to get masses of them to come running to you. Makes the job a heck of a lot easier. I just thougth it was a clever ploy on the part of the Visitors, it never occured to me to percieve it as anything other than that. But then I'm not American so my perspective would be different.
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (RaiderDave2112 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:26 PM) *
Not very good, the series still feels slightly off, as IMO it has been very poorly scripted. I can see why someone else was brought in to oversee the series.

In addition to the script, the actress playing the FBI chick is way too milktoasty to be a lead on a TV show.

QUOTE (Rowan @ Nov 11 2009, 06:10 PM) *
With regards to the universal healthcare I just concluded that the Visitors needed a way to legitimately access people and what better way to get hords of them to come to you than by offereing something like "we can cure all your maladies". Rather than chasing down your prey and having to work hard to get them figure out a way to get masses of them to come running to you. Makes the job a heck of a lot easier. I just thougth it was a clever ploy on the part of the Visitors, it never occured to me to percieve it as anything other than that. But then I'm not American so my perspective would be different.

Come on, honey. You have political campaigns in Canada, too. wink.gif
Rowan
QUOTE (HeroineOfCanton @ Nov 11 2009, 03:46 PM) *
In addition to the script, the actress playing the FBI chick is way too milktoasty to be a lead on a TV show.


Come on, honey. You have political campaigns in Canada, too. wink.gif


I don't understand what you're getting at.

I'm just saying that it didn't occure to me to relate the health care thing in the show to what is going on in the states because I don't pay much attention to the politics of other countries.
It might be something American's connected with in the show but not something I connected with, to me it was just a clever ploy by the V's to get the humans to walk onto their ship just in time for V dinner...lol
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (Rowan @ Nov 11 2009, 08:17 PM) *
I don't understand what you're getting at.

I'm just saying that it didn't occure to me to relate the health care thing in the show to what is going on in the states because I don't pay much attention to the politics of other countries.
It might be something American's connected with in the show but not something I connected with, to me it was just a clever ploy by the V's to get the humans to walk onto their ship just in time for V dinner...lol

I was just saying that health care could have been any hot issue any politician running for office might promise. wink.gif
RaiderDave2112
QUOTE (HeroineOfCanton @ Nov 12 2009, 02:38 AM) *
I was just saying that health care could have been any hot issue any politician running for office might promise. wink.gif


To be honest I found the scene to be rather jarring and showing how focused the show is on the USA (by which I mean that no other countries point of view is considered), showing just how limited the scripts/writers really are.

A couple of examples of this is the afore mentioned Universal Healthcare offer by the visitors, The Visitor leader Anna says free Healthcare will be available wherever the ships are and the reporter acts all surprised at "Free Healthcare", The US is one of the few countries that doesn't have a free Healthcare system.

Another example is from the second episode is the Visitor embassies, the counties mentioned are Japan, Mexico, India and Russia, no European countries mentioned not even the EU or China mentioned? I mean really.
HeroineOfCanton






And this is only funny for folks who watch How I Met Your Mother.

utkari02
I have yet to start this series, it's on opposite something else I'm recording. dry.gif But I plan to watch it via Hulu. Currently new episodes get put up on Saturdays. smile.gif I've been hearing good things but am trying not to look to close in order to avoid spoilers.
herbsinger42
QUOTE (RaiderDave2112 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:01 PM) *
To be honest I found the scene to be rather jarring and showing how focused the show is on the USA (by which I mean that no other countries point of view is considered), showing just how limited the scripts/writers really are.

A couple of examples of this is the afore mentioned Universal Healthcare offer by the visitors, The Visitor leader Anna says free Healthcare will be available wherever the ships are and the reporter acts all surprised at "Free Healthcare", The US is one of the few countries that doesn't have a free Healthcare system.

Another example is from the second episode is the Visitor embassies, the counties mentioned are Japan, Mexico, India and Russia, no European countries mentioned not even the EU or China mentioned? I mean really.


Hmmm. I think Ro has the right of it-- if folks flock to your medical centers to be healed of maladies we couldn't previously treat... and typically, predators take down the weak, old, or somehow less fast in either body or wit FIRST. The impression that the V's are here to help, well, that was the primary given. What better way to stun your prey, than having them believe they are getting something for nothing.

Now- the "place" of the "US" as the lead domino- that was the writer's bent... and if we're talkin' US writers... they are gonna lead with what they know. All writers of screen plays are not necessarily historians, or even well versed in global politics. From the original, the US was also the focus. We have seen a few nods to Asian, Mexican and Indian culture... nods. PERIOD. It is a TV show... and if it takes off, gets ratings and money, they might shoot in other countries. But I don't think the lack of mention is a diminish-ment of those countries. Hubris of the writers, ok... but while the new show is drastically updated, it is still just a show.
The bombs... right on the money in my estimation.

I do kinda think the use of a series of 'sleeper cells' that have been here makes sense... much more than the earlier show's 'turn-coats' that become a working part of the resistance...

And Ana's grasp of subverting the human race is priceless. Her careful "costuming" manipulates-- soothes and sets up...

They'll never see it commin.
DarthMarley
QUOTE (RaiderDave2112 @ Nov 11 2009, 10:01 PM) *
To be honest I found the scene to be rather jarring and showing how focused the show is on the USA (by which I mean that no other countries point of view is considered), showing just how limited the scripts/writers really are.

A couple of examples of this is the afore mentioned Universal Healthcare offer by the visitors, The Visitor leader Anna says free Healthcare will be available wherever the ships are and the reporter acts all surprised at "Free Healthcare", The US is one of the few countries that doesn't have a free Healthcare system.

Another example is from the second episode is the Visitor embassies, the counties mentioned are Japan, Mexico, India and Russia, no European countries mentioned not even the EU or China mentioned? I mean really.


Ah, the ROTW has "freee healthcare" and still fails to churn out advances in health care at the same pace.
Or, with the exception of Bollywood, churn out entertainment products at such an overpowering pace.

If the Visitors were to arrive, there would be a greater (and more basic) need for their Universal Health Care! everywhere else. But they would still have to come to the Big American City to get it! Ha!

It isn't that the script writers are necessarily "limited" other than being a product of their culture, just like everyone else.

There are plenty of crap shows produced for other cultural markets, and when shows are "good" they get traction in other cultures.
Maybe "V" isn't as trans-national as Shin-Chan, but is that really relevant in deciding if it entertains you?

Does it really need to alleviate a sense of global inadequacy in order to entertain?
Are our "junior partners" on the world stage really that sensitive about the issue?

You will never catch me bitching about how Monty Python of Douglas Adams needs to be less British in order to be "better" entertainment products.

And even in the ROTW, there is still no such thing as "free health care." The rich still pay for it for everyone else.

Still, "V" needs to flash a healthy bit more lizard boob in order to survive its hiatus.
RaiderDave2112
QUOTE (herbsinger42 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:06 PM) *
Hmmm. I think Ro has the right of it-- if folks flock to your medical centers to be healed of maladies we couldn't previously treat... and typically, predators take down the weak, old, or somehow less fast in either body or wit FIRST. The impression that the V's are here to help, well, that was the primary given. What better way to stun your prey, than having them believe they are getting something for nothing.

Now- the "place" of the "US" as the lead domino- that was the writer's bent... and if we're talkin' US writers... they are gonna lead with what they know. All writers of screen plays are not necessarily historians, or even well versed in global politics. From the original, the US was also the focus. We have seen a few nods to Asian, Mexican and Indian culture... nods. PERIOD. It is a TV show... and if it takes off, gets ratings and money, they might shoot in other countries. But I don't think the lack of mention is a diminish-ment of those countries. Hubris of the writers, ok... but while the new show is drastically updated, it is still just a show.
The bombs... right on the money in my estimation.

I do kinda think the use of a series of 'sleeper cells' that have been here makes sense... much more than the earlier show's 'turn-coats' that become a working part of the resistance...

And Ana's grasp of subverting the human race is priceless. Her careful "costuming" manipulates-- soothes and sets up...

They'll never see it commin.


You've probably got a point about the writers but as the show has had a change of showrunner I'm guessing that I wasn't the only one who thought that the show didn't seem to hang together, if that makes any sense.

I do think that the orignal show made more sense storywise or was better plotted would probably be a better word, as IMO the "conspiracy theory" angle has been done to death and to be honest I'm getting a bit bored with it now.
Raycheetah
Is V an intentional send-up of the Obama administration? Turns out it's not. From the Art Imitates Life department:

QUOTE
The Hidden Truth Behind ‘V’
by Leigh Scott

...Jeffrey Jena pointed out, the show’s writer is a devout leftist and Obama supporter. The show was actually written in 2007, long before David Axelrod and his minions concocted the brilliant marketing campaign that elevated an inexperienced and naive community organizer to the most powerful position in the world.

So, is that it? Case closed? Is “V” not an indictment and slam at the “O-mania” that swept the nation? Far from it. In fact, the show contains two powerful messages that should warm the hearts of all conservatives and make leftists think twice.

All art and good storytelling contain subtext. Sometimes, the creator of the work sets out to tell a story using the subtext as the motivator. On other occasions, the writer or filmmaker lets the subtext develop as the characters move through their arcs and the plot unfolds. James Cameron has stated in several interviews that the themes in “Terminator 2″ didn’t fully gel until after he completed the first draft of the screenplay. He read through his own script and realized, “hey, now I get what it’s about.”

Scott Peters didn’t set out to make a show that exposed the dangers of hero worship and the insidiousness of fascist and statist societies. He didn’t want to compare the Obama administration and the Democrats to flesh eating reptiles.

But he did.

Peters simply imagined how, in today’s society, one group could control the masses. Replace religion with secular or scientific “hope.” Promise things that are impossible like free universal health care. Manipulate the media and force journalists to only portray the positives in order to protect their careers and their egos. Utilize the Internet through social networking and slick websites. Create a sense of “coolness” and “hipness” in order to woo the youth of the world.

All of these tactics are amoral, corrupt, shifty, and slimy. It’s not Peters’ fault that they would actually be used by an American politician.

The artist, the creative force that is Scott Peters, subconsciously knows that these tactics are wrong. He knows, deep down inside that the path of the Visitors, like all totalitarians, is similar to what Obama used to gain power. Behind the slick marketing campaign lies something else. Whether or not that “something else” in the real world is evil or just incompetent is yet to be seen.

It’s shocking that a major network would put out a high-profile show that seems to skewer this president and his lackeys. What is even more shocking is that the writer of the show, who nailed Obama’s marketing campaign right down to the key slogans and key policies, would dedicate his time and money to support something that his own inner voice discerned was wrong...


So, there you have it. Any similarities to real persons or events are purely coincidental. Now enjoy the show. =^[.]^=
chill
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 13 2009, 03:41 PM) *
Is V an intentional send-up of the Obama administration? Turns out it's not. From the Art Imitates Life department:



So, there you have it. Any similarities to real persons or events are purely coincidental. Now enjoy the show. =^[.]^=



*chuckles*

Problem is, if it finds a home in so many hearts, is it manipulation or is it embodiment? I am not a fan of Mr. Obama, or of his works so far, but if so many people are in favor of that package of man and policy, then that is what we do in our beloved nation. Dammit. I just hope I never have a reason to say "I told you so" to my friends and relatives who think everything will be fine as long as the folks questioning and doubting are silenced.
Raycheetah
Finally watched the second ep. I dun get all the bitching about the female lead's performance. I think it's fine. Mebbe folks are just too accustomed to over-the-top cop drama portrayals of FBI agents.

For all their hi-tech, you'd think the V's would have better quality video imaging. If they did, our heroes' geese would be cooked. Overall, I'm enjoying this. We'll see what we get tomorrow night.

By the way, I had to install a program to be able to watch ABC/Disney's V; initial use locked down Firefox, but a restart (after watching) seems to have cleared that up.

=^[.]^=
Raycheetah
Back on track. Tonight's ep was TWISTY! Things are developing nicely, and booth the secrets and the questions are piling up. Intelligent writing would anticipate the audience's questions, and do its best to address them all, eventually, such as: Do the V's have the means to distinguish other Vs? How deeply have they infiltrated earth governments? What's it like to live in a human-suit, as a human, and to fall in love with a human? Is it an extension of their natural behaviors, or do they "go native" and adopt behaviors and values not natural to them? What do the Vs want (surely not water, and probably not even just to eat us), and do ALL Vs know what the objective is?

Next week's ep is the last one in 2009. Waiting for more will be teh suxor. ='[.]'=
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 16 2009, 07:42 PM) *
For all their hi-tech, you'd think the V's would have better quality video imaging. If they did, our heroes' geese would be cooked. Overall, I'm enjoying this. We'll see what we get tomorrow night.

I made that same comment when the show aired. In fact, I think my exact words were something like, "They master artificial gravity but not photography?"
Rowan
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Nov 4 2009, 05:29 PM) *
I want to see lizard boob!


Just for you! wink.gif









It's a start...lol
Raycheetah
QUOTE (Rowan @ Nov 19 2009, 12:14 AM) *
Just for you! wink.gif









It's a start...lol

Yeah, but, even if she was "naked," she wouldn't be... naked, y'know?

How weird is that? =0[.]o=
Raycheetah
Referring to my last post (mostly), given the relative fragility of their cloned human integuments, didn't the V's take an awful risk of exposure by setting up their advance agents in a real-world environment which could easily cause injury or death?

Think about a V who gets a job, oh, say, in law enforcement. Unless he's strictly a desk jockey, he stands a risk of getting shot at, which could result in an awkward situation when it comes time to treat his injury. More damning, what about the simple dumb luck of an automobile accident? Any EMT or emergency room doctor could tell you that there are plenty of accidental injuries that go far beyond "skin deep," and scales would definitely get a mention on your chart.

Ah, well, it's just a show, and if we picked apart everything we watched, it wouldn't be any fun... Except the picking apart bit. =^[.]^=
Rowan
Which is probably why the FBI got reports from humans about the aliens and how they had lizard skin etc.

Clearly they did experience exposure but it sounded so wild to them that they ignored them just like people claiming they have been abducted or have seen aliens are ignored or thought crazy by us today.
chill
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 19 2009, 01:39 PM) *
Referring to my last post (mostly), given the relative fragility of their cloned human integuments, didn't the V's take an awful risk of exposure by setting up their advance agents in a real-world environment which could easily cause injury or death?

Think about a V who gets a job, oh, say, in law enforcement. Unless he's strictly a desk jockey, he stands a risk of getting shot at, which could result in an awkward situation when it comes time to treat his injury. More damning, what about the simple dumb luck of an automobile accident? Any EMT or emergency room doctor could tell you that there are plenty of accidental injuries that go far beyond "skin deep," and scales would definitely get a mention on your chart.

Ah, well, it's just a show, and if we picked apart everything we watched, it wouldn't be any fun... Except the picking apart bit. =^[.]^=



I found the interaction/intervention scene with the wife of the dead pilot chilling. I absotively posilutely love "Anna".
RaiderDave2112
QUOTE (Rowan @ Nov 19 2009, 07:06 PM) *
Which is probably why the FBI got reports from humans about the aliens and how they had lizard skin etc.

Clearly they did experience exposure but it sounded so wild to them that they ignored them just like people claiming they have been abducted or have seen aliens are ignored or thought crazy by us today.


This was a point I raised earlier about the infiltrator lizard types, if one of them was injured in a car crash and was unconsious when they were brought in they could have an MRI, CT scan or blood drawn all of which would show them to be non-human, so it would be medical professionals saying that there were lizards disguised as humans and the FBI would probably take more notice of them than, say, Mr Joe Sixpack or David Icke (who must think V is a blueprint for the future).
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Nov 19 2009, 01:39 PM) *
Referring to my last post (mostly), given the relative fragility of their cloned human integuments, didn't the V's take an awful risk of exposure by setting up their advance agents in a real-world environment which could easily cause injury or death?

Think about a V who gets a job, oh, say, in law enforcement. Unless he's strictly a desk jockey, he stands a risk of getting shot at, which could result in an awkward situation when it comes time to treat his injury. More damning, what about the simple dumb luck of an automobile accident? Any EMT or emergency room doctor could tell you that there are plenty of accidental injuries that go far beyond "skin deep," and scales would definitely get a mention on your chart.

Ah, well, it's just a show, and if we picked apart everything we watched, it wouldn't be any fun... Except the picking apart bit. =^[.]^=

Which is why I've been saying from the begining they need to kill a V in a bloody fashion in front of the press.
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