QUOTE (herbsinger42 @ Aug 6 2009, 06:41 PM)

I can't calculate the number I've lost in storage... several times.
I do have some of my favorites... Asimov, of course, I had all of Herbert's, but if I still do, they're in a box somewhere in the garage. I just started reading Dr. Who-- talk about dated. Now I see why the series is so popular (finally caught two episodes, and was delighted) but the dating still doesn't mask the underlying good v. evil.
I was talking to a writing group that included a 16 yr. old-- He's rightfully pissed at my (hippie) generation for getting comfortable and buying new tv's instead of making real change- and the old comics came up- V for Vendetta, the Watchmen...and our writers have reflected that desire to make the hard changes, yet my generation slid comfortably into middle age and did very little.
When I think back on the old stuff- I used to have all of E.R. Borroughs-- and while the science was bad-- the goals remained to stop the evil slavers, or corporate baddies that were corrupting folk-in the Tarzan series-
Isn't that what we have continuously seen in sci-fi or fantasy? Heinlein was obsessed with our relationships to each other, but he still had some form of corrupt baddie that had to be fought while we figured out the relationship thing... life is complex, and there aren't postage stamp solutions to the problems we're dealing with.
I don't remember reading 2001--- might have to go looking!
I have to admit that I've never got round to reading any Frank Herbert, I read Asimov, Clarke and Pohl etc.
Watchmen and V for Vendetta were written by Alan Moore who is a Brit and IMO he put a British slant on the superhero genre and he wrote them because most of the comics at the time were just about spandex superheros and were very black and white in their dealings were good guys and bad guys, Watchmen in particular allowed shades of grey to creep into the superhero comics for both hero's and villians, through people who read those comics going into the industry as writers etc.