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HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Jun 24 2009, 11:02 AM) *
They do have certain similarities, chief being that they are music to accompany staged works of performance.

*maintains charitable silence*
RaiderDave2112
I do like some classical music, mainly piano work and string quartet's.

I like Phillip Glass as well, what does everyone think of Jean-Michel Jarre? a lot of his work is genius.
DarthMarley
QUOTE (HeroineOfCanton @ Jun 24 2009, 12:33 PM) *
*maintains charitable silence*



Just for that, I am going to fraudulently check out books from Ohio libraries.
And not return them!
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Jun 24 2009, 02:46 PM) *
Just for that, I am going to fraudulently check out books from Ohio libraries.
And not return them!

Sounds like what you really need to check out are some opera CDs.


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WolfeFPS
QUOTE (Shan Yu @ Jun 24 2009, 10:28 AM) *
As i said before, i dont care what you like or dont like Wolfe. Apparently you think one part of this is about what you like or dislike? Its not. You and your opinions dont mean jack. You obviously have a problem with reading comprehension, but that is pretty plain.

Oh, yes! The one who is mistaken speaks... and gets it all wrong! No surprises, here.

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If you have studied music theory, you would (although in your case its safer to say you probably wouldn't) see the similarities in the elements of composition structure, which is what I was referring to in the first place. And yes, the the classical music and Shores' or Williams' scores are very similar - the major theme and movements of the music thru out the composition. Are they identical? No, but the similarities strongly suggest that they are based on the same principles. Yet somehow you think the comparison is all based on i common instruments? For the life of me, i dont know where you got that from, as I never brought it up. Guess you took your own idea and ran with it. Absurd.

Let's see... when did I ever mention they weren't similar? In fact, the rock and rock/country example I posted was to show that they were similar, but different 1) by genre, 2) by period, 3) by style, 4) by structure. Whoops. Any opinion to the contrary came from you, and the fact that you are still attempting to classify film scores as such is what's absurd here. But I guess you're incapable of comprehending that.

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The idea that a score for a movie is somehow "different" from a classical composition circa the 1700's is utter bunk. You brought it up, so take Williams Star Wars score. If you first heard the track without having seen the movie, what would you think? How would you classify the music? If you answer the question honestly, theres only one answer. It falls into the classical genre, plain and simple.

Bull. And shit. Only the uneducated would make that classification, so if that's what you're confessing to, then by all means: move along, because these are not the droids you're looking for.

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If you want to narrowly define classical music as music created in the 1700's to the late 1800's, go ahead, but its not really correct. Its the composers of that period who can be slotted like that, but not the genre of music. Like rock music, like jazz, the blues and every other form of music, classical has evolved. No matter how much it has evolved, the roots of the music that was compoosed in the 1700's versus 2000's are there. So go on, call me more names if it makes you feel better. It might help, but we both know it really wont because we both know I am right.

Who did so? Try reading what I wrote, for once.

Here's the statement that broke it all down for you to handle:
QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Jun 23 2009, 12:00 AM) *
"Classical" is colloquially defined only by period. Classical, romance, and baroque as genre are specifically defined by style, and while they enjoyed their eras of proliferation, are not confined to definition by period. Film scores are not usually classical. Symphony does not, in and of itself, connote classical.

Had you studied musical theory and/or even history, you'd know that classical as a style is specific style. It has barely "evolved," save for some occasional and added contemporary twists, and neither has baroque, which is also a style still being composed today. By the way, in case you still don't get it, this where the rock analogy comes into play.
Raycheetah
QUOTE (Rowan @ Jun 24 2009, 03:18 AM) *
I'm going to come in now in support of TBug's request.

Gentleman this thread isn't in the No Holds Bared section.

HoC created this thread as a place for her to enjoy talking about one of her favourite subjects, not to come into to discover a war.

I respectfully request that if you genuinely feel the need to lob insults at each other take it to the NHB section or pm's.

If you think you can continue this without the insults then by all means proceed.

Thank you.



QUOTE (Shan Yu @ Jun 24 2009, 10:28 AM) *
As i said before, i dont care what you like or dont like Wolfe. Apparently you think one part of this is about what you like or dislike? Its not. You and your opinions dont mean jack. You obviously have a problem with reading comprehension, but that is pretty plain.



QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Jun 24 2009, 06:23 PM) *
Oh, yes! The one who is mistaken speaks... and gets it all wrong! No surprises, here.


Gentlemen, please, let's take this off-thread, or at least to NHB, as Rowan requested? No need to clutter the thread with acrimonious posts debating one another's qualifications to post on the topic, ad nauseum. ='[.]'=
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Jun 24 2009, 06:42 PM) *
Gentlemen, please, let's take this off-thread, or at least to NHB, as Rowan requested? No need to clutter the thread with acrimonious posts debating one another's qualifications to post on the topic, ad nauseum. ='[.]'=

What? I refrained from direct insults. huh.gif

Fine, fine. But he started it.

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Shan Yu
QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Jun 22 2009, 11:23 AM) *
Oh, yes! The one who is mistaken speaks... and gets it all wrong! No surprises, here.


sorry the reply took so long. Some of us actually work for a living and don't have all day to hang out online. You know what thats like right? hmmm... with the 15,700 posts in just over a year, i thinking not. As for getting it wrong... please, spare me.

Music, specifically "classical" music had been used as an accompaniment to artistic productions for centuries. Anybody deny that Tchaikovsky composed the music for swan lake as an adjunct for the choreography of the ballet? How is that any different that John Williams scoring a Star Wars movie? There isnt a difference except for the medium. Yet one is considered classical and the other is "only a score"? Doesn't make sense. The composition elements are all there, stylistically they are identical - from intro to the main themes to the transitions of the intermezzos to the finales/codas... With the exception of being written 200 years later, its the same music.

And to you, its not even in the same genre? please...
Shan Yu
QUOTE (Raycheetah @ Jun 22 2009, 11:42 AM) *
Gentlemen, please, let's take this off-thread, or at least to NHB, as Rowan requested? No need to clutter the thread with acrimonious posts debating one another's qualifications to post on the topic, ad nauseum. ='[.]'=


NHB forum, fine by me. So what Ray, just use any of the inane useless thread he creates?
DarthMarley
Meh.

Why continue the argument?

I see both sides of this one, and people are going to be stubborn anyway.

Disagreements don't have to be disagreeable.

My concern is that the forum remain enjoyable for all who wish to participate.
Unless they disagree with me!

Part of that is getting a sense for how people are going to react.

This is going nowhere. Much like the exchange about "scientific theories vs law" people have different definitions in mind, and one definition is more appropriate for a scholar's take on the subject, and another is more colloquial.
Just accepting that could make the whole issue go away.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (Shan Yu @ Jun 24 2009, 09:20 PM) *
NHB forum, fine by me. So what Ray, just use any of the inane useless thread he creates?

Wow, what a pathetic little creature you are.

As far as Tchaikovsky and Williams... if you're unfamiliar with the genesis of a ballet from music and a film score from film print, you probably lack the mental capacity to understand anything more than "Ooh, music! Story! Must be the same genre." Someone should be sure to tell Paul Simon his soundtrack for The Graduate is classical music.

WolfeFPS
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Jun 24 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Meh.

Why continue the argument?

I did agree to drop it. Douchebag just hated not having the last word, I guess.
DarthMarley
Dude, calling someone pathetic, when it has been made plain it is inappropriate, is inappropriate.

Where is the restraint? Where is the love?
WolfeFPS
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Jun 24 2009, 09:42 PM) *
Dude, calling someone pathetic, when it has been made plain it is inappropriate, is inappropriate.

Where is the restraint? Where is the love?

Darth, check the thread. SY threw out the first insult... it's clear that HoC felt insulted by SY's initial comment, as well.

I already dropped the direct insults from my posts, and while I remained fairly apathetic, I made no direct mention of SY's character... and then he retorted with a "Oh, I have to work at BK all day, that's why I can't respond" comment. I also agreed to drop it, per Rowan and RC's suggestion, but, yeah... you get the drift.

I'll knock it off when he does.
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (Shan Yu @ Jun 24 2009, 09:17 PM) *
Anybody deny that Tchaikovsky composed the music for swan lake as an adjunct for the choreography of the ballet? How is that any different that John Williams scoring a Star Wars movie?

Because Star Wars is still a movie even without the music, but a Swan Lake without the music is people standing around?

QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Jun 24 2009, 09:50 PM) *
Darth, check the thread. SY threw out the first insult... it's clear that HoC felt insulted by SY's initial comment, as well.

Actually, I wasn't insulted. I thought he was wrong, but not insulted. wink.gif


Anyhow, MUSIC! (with a dash of irony)

Boccherini
HeroineOfCanton
Chopin Prelude Op 20 No 4
HeroineOfCanton
When it comes to choral music, I have a hardcore Russian bias. (Arvo Part is a kissing cousin. wink.gif) Since I've only posted the Rachmaninov so far, I thought it was time for this:

Schnittke Choir Concerto
DarthMarley
QUOTE (WolfeFPS @ Jun 24 2009, 08:50 PM) *
Darth, check the thread. SY threw out the first insult... it's clear that HoC felt insulted by SY's initial comment, as well.

I already dropped the direct insults from my posts, and while I remained fairly apathetic, I made no direct mention of SY's character... and then he retorted with a "Oh, I have to work at BK all day, that's why I can't respond" comment. I also agreed to drop it, per Rowan and RC's suggestion, but, yeah... you get the drift.

I'll knock it off when he does.


It doesn't matter who "started it" or who is ultimately wrong.

You are going to be steadfast in your belief that you are correct in your definitions.

Frankly, I have seen the "I will keep it up as long as they do" shit before. it is utter crap to deal with on a forum that I would rather people enjoy, and not just a select few who feel entitled.
I've regrettably done it, but I think it is best to just ultimately drop the "tireless rebutting" and let people be contnet to be wrong.
There are plenty of people here who I am convinced are wrong about this or that.
After presenting the rationale for our beliefs, we remain unconvinced of the opposing view.
Even though liberal housing policies being behind the current financial crisis, and Jihadists are responsible for almost everything evil in the world, and scientific theories are never proven, people are going to disagree, sometimes in a snit about it.

Probably both of you felt somewhat insulted. You both vented.
I think it best to jsut be happy with that and find a way to drop it without trying to make it a "win."

Forget blame and move on please.
It makes the forum a more pleasant place.

HeroineOfCanton
Did you know Bach lowers blood pressure?

This isn't even what I was looking for, but I like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCeNh9Yfi2A
DarthMarley
I snagged (through perfectly legal means of course) the complete Bach catalog (one of those 170+ CD sets) and have made it through maybe 20 CDs so far.
HeroineOfCanton
This is what I was looking for.

Bach My Heart Ever Faithful
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (DarthMarley @ Jun 24 2009, 11:23 PM) *
I snagged (through perfectly legal means of course) the complete Bach catalog (one of those 170+ CD sets) and have made it through maybe 20 CDs so far.

blink.gif Damn!
Angelus80
QUOTE (herbsinger42 @ Jun 20 2009, 10:24 PM) *
Love your new siggy!! Just saw the new movie Tuesday... need to see it again.


biggrin.gif Thanks!! I've seen it twice and I'm so going to buy it when it comes out.


I heard just the music for this on one of the music channels, had no idea there were words until I went searching.

Schubert: Standchen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iHOe4HzJ60

Here it is without the words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fblAbPWfNew
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (Angelus80 @ Jul 7 2009, 10:07 PM) *
:bigsmile: Thanks!! I've seen it twice and I'm so going to buy it when it comes out.


I heard just the music for this on one of the music channels, had no idea there were words until I went searching.

Schubert: Standchen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iHOe4HzJ60

Here it is without the words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fblAbPWfNew

For Schubert, that doesn't entirely suck. tongue.gif

(Sorry, I really hate Schubert.wink.gif)
Angelus80
QUOTE (HeroineOfCanton @ Jul 7 2009, 10:11 PM) *
For Schubert, that doesn't entirely suck. tongue.gif

(Sorry, I really hate Schubert.wink.gif)

LOL that's okay. I was reading while I was listening to that channel, and I looked up when I realized that I liked what I was hearing.
HeroineOfCanton
QUOTE (Angelus80 @ Jul 7 2009, 10:24 PM) *
LOL that's okay. I was reading while I was listening to that channel, and I looked up when I realized that I liked what I was hearing.

Well, like I said, not bad for Schubert. wink.gif
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