Bein was in a few of my favorites like Aliens and Navy Seals.

No I don't think she is particularly programed ... and there are other hint's... massive one's when Andy talks about the Turk and it's "moods" . Cameron's expression at a few key points in the ep before this one when dealing with her own mortality and the murder of her own kind.

I suppose but I think there must be more to it at least that is the impression I'm left with.

Because in the past we see her rescue him and we see him trust her enough to follow her to see John and then we see him time jump to the past. Where we see him call her a metal bitch just before she disarms him. But again he witnesses her rescue all of them then later after he's shot he's still upset with her and won't let her near him. This doesn't make any sense to me something is missing.
What we don't see or know about is the time he's lived from the moment he's arrived in the past to the moment the connors contact him. That's the time period I'm wondering about. This is where there must have been something that happened between him and her or him and a Terminator that is the same as her.

yes ... I was actually left with the impression that she did not remember him. That does support that something happed... something that led to her memories being scrubbed once again.

Murder of her own... did she say that???
I hadn't picked it up... but I was tired.

Cameron did suggest that they could be re-programmed... and the concept of writing over a program with new stuff eliminating some of the old memory... possible.
What her ultimate program is.. as opposed to the "save John"single paradigm... to fight, instead of run... was that her target? Was that John's target? Is Cameron there to get him over/past/ through the death of Sarah?

I'm still wondering what of the Skynet programming she might be able to glean from the module...

Demon's Hand talk

I was glad to see some religious metaphors starting to crop up. The movies had so much of that, it would have felt odd to not have something of it in the show too.

Cameron dancing for herself was both a thing of beauty and a bit creepy. Sarah said that if the machines were ever to learn art by themselves, they would be us. I don't think that would stop them from destroying the world...

Derek standing in the grass with bare feet, staring out at the not-destroyed world was a little heartbreaking, especially since we went from that to him asking about Kyle. Poor little boy misses his brother.

There is talk from the producers/writers etc about possibly/maybe having a second season!! *glee*

*pouts* I have not seen it yet.....

That could mean that part of Cameron's mission is to humanize Skynet.

Where can I find the news of such 2nd season rumors?

I'm surprised to hear that this series sounds progressively even more obnoxious than when it debuted. I've read the same rumors, myself, and I hope for the sake of the series and those that enjoy it that the comparison is being unfairly made; being derivative would not be a good thing.

If not? Maybe Cavil and Skynet should go bowling and talk this through.

Incidentally? We now have 4,000 robots on the ground in Iraq.

And perhaps this particular item isn't so unrelated after all, since ultimately what's at issue is the development of robotics. While it's disapointing that they still look like ED 209 and Johnny 5, at least they don't look like Fanuc lazer turrets.

From the article:

" The use of such devices by terrorists should be a serious concern, said Sharkey.

Captured robots would not be difficult to reverse engineer, and could easily replace suicide bombers as the weapon-of-choice. "I don't know why that has not happened already," he said. "

Um, because, if folks saw a robot rolling into a marketplace in Baghdad, chances are, they'd figure out it wasn't there to buy fruit.

People are cheaper and less conspicuous... And, apparently, quite easy to program.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=

Yeah I have that on dvd...it was Val Kilmer's greatest role imho....and Michael played a fantastic bad guy "Evidently, Mr. Ringo's an educated man. Now I really hate him." Doc Holliday




Yeah he rocked in Aliens....and was great in Navy Seals too...I just saw that one the other night on tbs. I caught another one this past weekend on tbs....Asteroid....the plot sucked, but Micheal was great in the part he played.

Are we seeing any serious scuttlebutt regarding the longevity of SCC???
I am enjoying it... trying to watch and participate withe the online access... so they'll know that there is more than just the buzz of number of viewers per evening...

Tho... knowing Fux...

Well...I don't want to get your hopes up, but they did show all the eps in order (even with the stike in there) and we get the season's end Monday....so <crosses everything she has two of> I'm gonna hope they'll be considering bringing it back for another season

Season's end?????
That was a season? Man. Is it just me, or are season's getting shorter and shorter???
24 doe s 24 eps, right???

It's not just you...they are getting shorter and shorter. I can remember when a season meant 24 eps too

Awesome episodes tonight! :D

Indeed.

Great show.

But the local broadcast of this "2 part season finale" had so many garbled video studders and pixelated crap, along with audio gaps, and no normalization, that I have committed to download a DVD rip at some future point.

Hmmm...
So that digital revolution... not as positive as we had all imagined.
I was seeing static bands... and thought it was cause I was workin' off rabbit ears... then it would clean up and be fine. The second hour was much, much worse.

So, is the consensus that the broadcast quality sucked throughout North America?

What a rip off.

Well, I'd rather have bad than none...
I'd of course prefer better.

However... as opposed to no airing of the eps... I'll take the static.

It was Fux, however .... so, really, what did any of us expect?

Looked fine here.

OK now so was that latino chic a terminator also. I thought she acted rather wierd, and then cameron said "do I have to kill you too" and handed her a gun. WTF!!!

No, she is very human. I think Cameron was just covering bases. The latina had shown her skills at tracking people and Cameron was just reminding her of how they deal with threats. Handing her the pistol just reinforced that idea. She'd have to be pretty confident to issue a warning and then arm her...

I thought that maybe Cameron was telling her to "self terminate" so she didn't have to kill her. I know that they didn't want any loose ends that a terminator or the feebs could track down and find them with like good ol' enrique and the nephew.

LOVE the avi CombJ!!!

Umm. Hussies...

From my understanding, it isn't too terribly expensive to produce. There isn't a large cast and most of the actors aren't very well known. There isn't a lot in the way of special effects and props. A great example is when the squad of agents tried to take out Cromartie. All you really saw was bleeding guys splashing down in the pool. It was different, it conveyed what was going on very well and was a lot cheaper than shooting a massive gun battle. It cost them a door, a pool cleaning, what ever it costs to do that metal exoskeleton under the skin effect and however much it cost to lease that motel for the shot. And all the props could be returned without repairing the squib damage to show the agents getting shot, any necessary CGI, etc.

The ratings, while not stellar, haven't been bad, especially with key demographic groups. The season's finale did pretty well.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/C...ndustryid=47171

So, it looks like it will be back. The biggest problem will be, what time slot?

Just when you think it's safe to go back in the water........<sigh>

Monday's episode=Squee!

Derek Reese=best. uncle. ever.
Talk about the perfect birthday present. So sweet!

I thought that the underwater montage was fantastic, a great way to do that scene with a low budget. Great choice of music too.
*<3's Johnny Cash*

Still no word on renewal. *bites fingernails*

I hope they don't do like they did with Firefly. I remember tuning in only to find it had been preempted for a tiddlywink competition. And no indication of when the episode would actually air. So it was guess and hope to try and catch it.

Oh yeah I forgot about that part. It was pretty interesting that he knew he was John's uncle. That was a great present, I am also wondering if he puts it in his own head to learn about the underground sewers.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...83c08fd4184999d

Thats good news, means it will be bauck.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles will return 9/1/08 (Mo.) 8:00 PM FOX

Correction.
It looks like a week later.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles will return 9/8/08 (Mo.) 8:00 PM FOX

So long as it's returning I'm a veeeeery happy camper! YAY!

So when does the fall season start?

I'm guessing september

Good guess! September 8th

Should learn to read an entire thread, but I saw the top one and thought it was the start of the first season, the date I saw was 09/01/08 which in the UK means the 9th January 2008, forgetting that in the US it is Month/Day/Year

No problem.

Shiny!

"Um, dudes... You do know that you show up in the mirror, too, right?"

=^[.]^=

The show has officially become garbage.

Crap, crap, crap. Had such high hopes, too.

Are you being ironical with the Garbage comment?

Yes, although earlier on Rank Structure I wasn't. Cy21 had to point it out.

I quite enjoy the show myself.



Best wishes,

Scott

I still like the show,

One of your complaints was that they hadn't been able to reverse engineer a T-800 model that was in a plane crash, and her being a T-1000 an all, she told this to the FBI guy, why would she tell him the truth? with a bit of help from her, pointing people in the right direction, they could have advanced very far with the bits that they had.

That's bullshit. She's a robot, and Skynet could've easily programmed her with the knowledge required to build a T-800 from scratch, much less reverse-engineer one. Not only that, why isn't she out to kill John Connor herself? So, we're either going to wind up with a bunch of "conscience-issue Cylons," or big plotholes (of which there are already several).

The show sucks.

I really enjoyed the first season and I've been a huge fan of Terminator since the first movie in 1984. I'm always willing to ignore a fair bit of things in scifi that don't quite make sense or add up but this season is really making me struggle at times. I'm not ready to give up on it just yet despite some scathing criticism I have for it at times.

Oh, don't get me wrong... despite the enormously huge plot hole that kick-started the series, I rather liked the first season. Unfortunately, you can tell that even the producers were surprised it got picked up for season 2, and the scramble for sustainable plot is obvious. This is almost exactly what happened to BSG, so I imagine that, unless the writers of T:TSCC get a handle on things within the next one or two episodes, the show isn't going to make it... unless SciFi picks it up, anyway.