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RaiderDave2112
QUOTE(WolfeFPS @ Sep 28 2008, 01:17 AM) *
That's bullshit. She's a robot, and Skynet could've easily programmed her with the knowledge required to build a T-800 from scratch, much less reverse-engineer one. Not only that, why isn't she out to kill John Connor herself? So, we're either going to wind up with a bunch of "conscience-issue Cylons," or big plotholes (of which there are already several).

The show sucks. tongue.gif


As I said why would she be telling the FBI guy the truth about the development, perhaps she went back in time to ensure that when the war starts Skynet has a army ready to start fighting from the start.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE(RaiderDave2112 @ Sep 28 2008, 08:58 AM) *
As I said why would she be telling the FBI guy the truth about the development, perhaps she went back in time to ensure that when the war starts Skynet has a army ready to start fighting from the start.

Maybe, but that's fan-wank. Skynet didn't need an army. It took control of the strategic arsenals of everybody. It only built the army when the humans began to resist.
Raycheetah
Not sure how much credence to lend an online source, but...

Fox Close To Terminating 'Sarah Connor'

By MICHAEL HINMAN
Source: SyFy Portal
Sep-30-2008

"With ratings far below even the network's worst predictions, Fox could pull the plug on production for "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" as early as this week.

The network has been disappointed by "Sarah Connor's" numbers so far this season, and some executives feel that the show is dragging down numbers for "Prison Break," which airs as a lead-out.

"Audiences just aren't responding to the show," a Fox source tells SyFy Portal. "Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet."

This would be bad news for "Sarah Connor," which had a strong first season despite airing just nine episodes in light of the Writers Guild of America strike. The show debuted at mid-season with an 11.1 rating/16 share -- the highest premiere of any genre show last season -- following an NFL playoff game, but quickly lost a good portion of its audience. By the time it was all said and done, "Sarah Connor" overnights averaged a 5.6/9, half of the premiere audience, with ratings reaching as low as a 4.5/7 at once point.

Getting a 4.5/7 could almost be a lifesaver for "Sarah Connor" right now, as the show hasn't even come close to reaching that number. After four episodes, the highest "Sarah Connor" has reached is a 4.1/6, and is averaging a 3.7. That's 34 percent off its audience average from the previous year.

Audience stability has been slightly better than it was last year following the series premiere spike, but stability so far this year has been slipping for "Sarah Connor." Its Stability Index Rating, as determined by SyFy Portal using a comparison of its season high versus its average overnight rating, gave "Sarah Connor" a 50.5 -- by far the worst of any show last season. This year, however, it's at a much better 90.2 rating, but has been steadily becoming more and more unstable each week.

So what will happen?

"All I can say is that production will likely stop, and I would think that Fox might try to air some of the episodes already in the can," the source said. "But I don't know. They don't want to lose 'Prison Break,' so there could be some schedule shuffling in the future."

Of course, none of this has been confirmed by Fox, so treat this as rumor."

Apparently, Dancing With the Stars has been getting like four times the viewership for the same time slot, and F*X is never slow to dump a show that's not performing to their high ratings standards.

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DarthMarley
Meh.

Hinman causes people to have polarized views of him.
I don't have a problem with him, but his track record is hit and miss.

Yes, ratings are lower fopr T:TSCC this season.
Yes, it is at 75% of the average "in demo" rating of 18-49 viewers for FOX.

But, at another forum, a producer on the show responds:

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Briefly:

Is anyone happy with the ratings right now? No. Monday night is a knife fight with seven shows all with loyal audiences (us, Chuck, Dancing With The Stars, the CBS comedy block, Gossip Girl, and the Monday Night Football juggernaut on ESPN) divvying up a very finite pie. And nearly all the scripted shows, even powerhouses like House, are off 2-3 million viewers from last season. The market is fragmented and the strike really, really hurt viewing habits.

Does Hinman have any idea what he's talking about? No. As of now, production and script writing steams ahead and Fox proclaims itself creatively happy with the show. All of this is subject to change, of course. Fox could order the back nine or pull the plug if they so choose. But until they do either, don't pay any attention to people who claim they have inside sources at the networks, when they don't.

WolfeFPS
QUOTE(DarthMarley @ Oct 1 2008, 03:47 AM) *
Meh.

Hinman causes people to have polarized views of him.
I don't have a problem with him, but his track record is hit and miss.

Yes, ratings are lower fopr T:TSCC this season.
Yes, it is at 75% of the average "in demo" rating of 18-49 viewers for FOX.

But, at another forum, a producer on the show responds:

Eh, the fact that Fox has yet to greenlight the back-9 bodes poorly for T:TSCC. Networks have always factored in MNF's ratings (be it on ESPN or ABC proper), so if anybody is exhibiting disappointment, football's share of the pie has little to do with it.

The show, quite simply, isn't as good as it was last season. Sure, the strike no doubt deserves some of the blame (never delay a writer's process... it usually turns gold into shit), but every show was hit by that strike (let's not forget that the show almost wasn't renewed... ironically, it was saved by the writer's strike, as replacement series weren't being developed). Several series (Prison Break included) seem to have maintained their quality standard or have even improved. T:TSCC hasn't. They're taking what was a straight-forward premise and muddling it with unnecessary BSG-style twists and turns. I, for one, haven't been impressed. So unless those shows already in the can are huge improvements, I don't see it making it to a third season. And not that I don't want it to... I'm rather enjoying the growing selection of science fiction on the networks.
DarthMarley
It may be the last season of the show, but Dollhouse is scheduled in its timeslot.
I don't think the lack of a full season pickup is that important, either to the show, or to FOX.

And claiming that football has nothing to do with it is an irrational claim.
It explains the huge drop in the key demo.

Moving it to air next to Fringe might be the best move for it.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE(DarthMarley @ Oct 1 2008, 05:43 AM) *
It may be the last season of the show, but Dollhouse is scheduled in its timeslot.
I don't think the lack of a full season pickup is that important, either to the show, or to FOX.

That's BS, Darth. Lack of a pickup is important to every scripted show. When I was on Surface, that's all they ever worried about. Well, that and not hitting a "5."

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And claiming that football has nothing to do with it is an irrational claim.
It explains the huge drop in the key demo.

Did I claim football had nothing to do with it? No, I said "little" to do with it. And since the days of Dierdorf, Gifford, and Michaels, no show has ever expected to maintain normal ratings versus MNF. The quote you posted was pure spin, plain and simple.

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Moving it to air next to Fringe might be the best move for it.

This makes sense. Given the nature of the shows, Fringe and T:TSCC would probably be a good match, as would House and Prison Break. Problem is, the latter two are proven shows and I'm not sure Fox would be willing to risk an entire night of newbies.

Then again, if they're really at risk of losing one or the other, they would have to.
Raycheetah
Surface, Wolfe?

The missus really got into that show, but I always had this niggling feeling that they were writing it into its own grave. Just about destroy the world that early into the show, what's your next move?

Just curious if you have any insights into where the writers might've been going with that.

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TBug
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Apparently, Dancing With the Stars has been getting like four times the viewership for the same time slot, and F*X is never slow to dump a show that's not performing to their high ratings standards.



Personally speaking, I quite enjoy TSCC. However that being said, I also love DWTS. So I compromise. I watch DWTS and dvr TSCC. It's a nice compromise. I am in that "target demographic" but am not a neilson. My question is though...if I were a neilson family would I count as a viewer of TSCC because I record it?
DarthMarley
QUOTE(WolfeFPS @ Oct 1 2008, 07:07 AM) *
That's BS, Darth. Lack of a pickup is important to every scripted show. When I was on Surface, that's all they ever worried about. Well, that and not hitting a "5."
Did I claim football had nothing to do with it? No, I said "little" to do with it. And since the days of Dierdorf, Gifford, and Michaels, no show has ever expected to maintain normal ratings versus MNF. The quote you posted was pure spin, plain and simple.
This makes sense. Given the nature of the shows, Fringe and T:TSCC would probably be a good match, as would House and Prison Break. Problem is, the latter two are proven shows and I'm not sure Fox would be willing to risk an entire night of newbies.

Then again, if they're really at risk of losing one or the other, they would have to.


It isn't "BS" as the yearlong schedule does not have room for the back nine of T:TSCC.

MNF can have plenty to do with it. It isn't spin, so much as you blandly asset that "ratings are factored in" for MNL.
If so, then the show is looked upon favorably at the network..

Weekly FOX ratings put T:TSCC in its top ten.

Is it likely that the show will be pulled to make room for another House rerun?

Word is the show was made very cheap for FOX by WB (the show's producer) and was done so to promote the T4 movie in hte spring.

It may be the last season of it, but the gloom and doom is not called for.

If you don't like the show, just don't put yourself through the pain of watching.

WolfeFPS
QUOTE(Raycheetah @ Oct 1 2008, 10:08 AM) *
Surface, Wolfe?

The missus really got into that show, but I always had this niggling feeling that they were writing it into its own grave. Just about destroy the world that early into the show, what's your next move?

Just curious if you have any insights into where the writers might've been going with that.

=^[.]^=

The show stunk from the get-go. I remember one of the camera operators telling me that it was the least professional set he's ever been on.

The Pates, who ran the show, had no idea where it was going. And I'm not just saying that. That was really the case.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE(DarthMarley @ Oct 1 2008, 10:53 AM) *
It isn't "BS" as the yearlong schedule does not have room for the back nine of T:TSCC.

Now that is definitely BS. If it doesn't have room, as you claim, then a mid-season replacement has already been scheduled to take its place... which is bad for T:TSCC. Problem is, it does have room, which is also bad for T:TSCC, because the full-season pickup hasn't happened yet. If a show does well, it will expect a pickup by around the fourth episode of the season... pickups that don't happen until close to the end of the run are nerve-wracking for producers, and usually mean the show is going to disappear anyway.

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MNF can have plenty to do with it. It isn't spin, so much as you blandly asset that "ratings are factored in" for MNL.
If so, then the show is looked upon favorably at the network..

Weekly FOX ratings put T:TSCC in its top ten.

No, sorry. More spin. MNF is not factored much into ratings wars for Monday night. Haven't been for decades. You can argue that all you want, but it's true. Fox is pissed at T:TSCC, as well as pissed at Prison Break. For Monday nights, the Big 4 look primarily at how well they're doing versus each other. Fox finished last. Which means they ain't happy.

And never use a network's Top 10 to value it in the overall market. That's never accurate, especially for a network lacking 10 PM primetime slots.

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Is it likely that the show will be pulled to make room for another House rerun?

Word is the show was made very cheap for FOX by WB (the show's producer) and was done so to promote the T4 movie in hte spring.

It may be the last season of it, but the gloom and doom is not called for.

If you don't like the show, just don't put yourself through the pain of watching.

Wouldn't surprise me. House, on its worst days, does just as well as T:TSCC, and they don't have to spend the budget on making original programming.

I have no doubt that the first season of the show was filmed on the cheap. I have every doubt that its second season enjoys that claim.

I also have no doubt that there's some marketing connection between the series and the upcoming film. I have every doubt that the two projects are related in any way other than franchise. WB has more experience than any other studio in promoting unrelated intra-franchise projects, and I'm absolutely positive that's all they're doing here. I'm just as sure greenlighting one had zero effect on the decision to greenlight the other.

Gloom and doom is called for, as I want to watch a good show. I'm not watching a good show at the moment... I'm watching crap. And, sorry, but I'm well aware of the wax/wane nature of television, so I give series the benefits of doubt as long as I can stomach it. If next week is garbage, rest assured I'll quit watching then, but only then.
buffyverseforever
QUOTE(WolfeFPS @ Oct 1 2008, 04:26 AM) *
Eh, the fact that Fox has yet to greenlight the back-9 bodes poorly for T:TSCC. Networks have always factored in MNF's ratings (be it on ESPN or ABC proper), so if anybody is exhibiting disappointment, football's share of the pie has little to do with it.

The show, quite simply, isn't as good as it was last season. Sure, the strike no doubt deserves some of the blame (never delay a writer's process... it usually turns gold into shit), but every show was hit by that strike (let's not forget that the show almost wasn't renewed... ironically, it was saved by the writer's strike, as replacement series weren't being developed). Several series (Prison Break included) seem to have maintained their quality standard or have even improved. T:TSCC hasn't. They're taking what was a straight-forward premise and muddling it with unnecessary BSG-style twists and turns. I, for one, haven't been impressed. So unless those shows already in the can are huge improvements, I don't see it making it to a third season. And not that I don't want it to... I'm rather enjoying the growing selection of science fiction on the networks.



Most shows don't have the back nine ordered at this point. The only exceptions are Chuck and the new 90210.


Best wishes,

Scott
Raycheetah
Just to stir the pot some more:

EXCLUSIVE: Terminator gets, yes, terminated.

"Posted on October 2, 2008

A source on “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” has told End Of Show that no new episode scripts have been ordered by FOX, beyond the 13 already written. This will force the show to shut down production shortly. ”To say we’re on the brink of cancelation is polite”, our source says.

Normally, when a show shuts production it is not announced to the media — an example is 2007’s FOX series “Drive”, which closed production 2 days after the first episode aired but was not announced in Variety for a further 9 days as cancelled. This is because a network doesn’t want an audience to turn off whilst the remaining episodes are aired. In the end, Fox opted not to air several produced episodes of “Drive”, replacing it with House repeats. (Which rated higher). The episodes eventually aired online via FOX’s Myspace portal.

Our source tells us the cast contracts expire in short order, which means producing a 13 episode series this year and then returning next Fall is not an option due to the cost of renewing the cast and not producing episodes. Additionally, it does not make finance sense to return when a series is averaging just over 5 million viewers.

T:SCC premiered January of this year with 18.6 million viewers — which set a record for FOX at the time — and promptly fell to an average of 11.4 million for the series. Monday’s episode clocked just 5.53 million viewers, putting the show in absolute freefall, with just 5% of the 18-49 demographic. “Audiences just aren’t responding to the show,” a Fox source tells SyFy Portal. “Our biggest surprise are the 18-to-49s [a key advertising demographic], those numbers are in the toilet.”

Ratings to date (seasons one plus two) [Graphic may be viewed in original article as posted]

The ratings now fall in line with FOX’s “Drive”, which as mentioned ceased production almost immediately and stopped airing shortly after. T:SCC is a fairly expensive show to produce, and additionally wasn’t produced with sister studio 20th Century Fox. The show had significant marketing weight thrown behind it in January, using the budget allocated for “24″ (which was pushed back a year) for a widespread marketing campaign.

Taking over the timeslot from January, FOX have penciled in Joss Whedon’s upcoming drama “Dollhouse“.

Update: Tuesday, October 7th. The show fell to a Nielsen rating of 3.7/6 in the overnights. It has now left the air for baseball, currently scheduled to return on Tuesday 20th October."

F*X. Gotta love 'em.

='[.]'=

buffyverseforever
This is a link to fox.com's official Terminator Blog that says that two more scripts have indeed been ordered. It's dated October 9th-a week after the above story appeared. Since it's on Fox's official web site,I think we can assume that it's accurate.

http://fox.com/blogs/terminator/2008/10/09/status-update/


Also,there was a definite ratings bump in Sarah Conner''s favor this week. It's not out of the woods yet but things are looking slightly better....

Best wishes,

Scott
Raycheetah
Just goes to show ya... Nothing's certain.

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CylonNo21
QUOTE(Raycheetah @ Oct 10 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Just goes to show ya... Nothing's certain.

=^[.]^=


Except that in the future, we're all going to be ruled by a bunch of damned, dirty apes . . .
buffyverseforever
QUOTE(Raycheetah @ Oct 10 2008, 08:31 PM) *
Just goes to show ya... Nothing's certain.

=^[.]^=


Tis true,tis true.....


Best wishes,

Scott
buffyverseforever
QUOTE(CylonNo21 @ Oct 11 2008, 01:25 AM) *
Except that in the future, we're all going to be ruled by a bunch of damned, dirty apes . . .



Well,yeah.....


Best wishes,

Scott
RaiderDave2112
Well it looks like fox has requested a full season of the show

I saw a report on it at TV.com
buffyverseforever
Excellent :)


Best wishes,

Scott
Silmarwen
How can Ellison be such an idiot?
TBug
I dunno Ms. Sil...but I just watched the ep and I'm mystified. That red haired chick just grates on my nerves too...she's downright creepy...which I guess was the point of her bein' on the show...but still...<shudder>
buffyverseforever
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Look at it from his point of view. Remember,he still doesn't have the faintest idea of what's going on. All he knows is that these mysterious time-jumping fugitives were fighting this crazy killer robot. He realises that something has to be done about the robot but he really has no particular reason to trust the Connors and Cameron-it's not like they've given him any reason to (they were allies for a few minutes but they still kept him in the dark about everything. They had good reason to but he doesn't know that...). He decided to take the robot to this brilliant woman he know who has both the scientific knowledge and the resources to come up with something to counter it. His actions make perfect sense.
Of course,it's all going to blow up in his face but he doesn't know that....

Best wishesd,

Scott
Silmarwen
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Look at it from his point of view. Remember,he still doesn't have the faintest idea of what's going on. All he knows is that these mysterious time-jumping fugitives were fighting this crazy killer robot. He realises that something has to be done about the robot but he really has no particular reason to trust the Connors and Cameron-it's not like they've given him any reason to (they were allies for a few minutes but they still kept him in the dark about everything. They had good reason to but he doesn't know that...). He decided to take the robot to this brilliant woman he know who has both the scientific knowledge and the resources to come up with something to counter it. His actions make perfect sense.
Of course,it's all going to blow up in his face but he doesn't know that....

Best wishesd,

Scott



Well when you say it out loud like that.... rolleyes.gif bebye.gif action-smiley-033.gif
buffyverseforever
QUOTE(Silmarwen @ Nov 21 2008, 12:01 PM) *
Well when you say it out loud like that.... rolleyes.gif bebye.gif action-smiley-033.gif



Thanks.
Thanks also for showing me that it is possible to cover for spoilers-I hadn't been able to find how to do it before (I thought it was an icon and I never even thought of looking under quick access. I never claimed to be intelligent...."

Best wishes,

Scott

Silmarwen
QUOTE(buffyverseforever @ Nov 21 2008, 05:51 PM) *
Thanks.
Thanks also for showing me that it is possible to cover for spoilers-I hadn't been able to find how to do it before (I thought it was an icon and I never even thought of looking under quick access. I never claimed to be intelligent...."

Best wishes,

Scott


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TBug
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Of course,it's all going to blow up in his face but he doesn't know that....



Well...when you put it that way... <sigh> I guess you're right....he's not responsiible for what he doesn't know...what we can see from our angle compared to what he can see from his.


But it's like watching some airheaded bimbo in a horror movie...she's screamin' her head off and runnin' in four inch heels for hump's sake! And all the while I'm yellin' at the tv tellin' her the monster is gonna catch her stupid ass if she doesn't ditch the heels and STFU!
buffyverseforever
I now have a very disturbing vision of Ellison running around in four-inch heels...



Best wishes,

Scott
TBug
QUOTE(buffyverseforever @ Nov 22 2008, 06:21 PM) *
I now have a very disturbing vision of Ellison running around in four-inch heels...
Best wishes,

Scott



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Silmarwen
Okay WTFrak is going on here?!?!

I'm referring to Riley and Jess. I'm almost wondering if Riley is a human from the future or is she a robot like Cameron who's completely neutered and controllable. Oh, questions, questions...
TBug
QUOTE(Silmarwen @ Nov 26 2008, 12:20 PM) *
Okay WTFrak is going on here?!?!

I'm referring to Riley and Jess. I'm almost wondering if Riley is a human from the future or is she a robot like Cameron who's completely neutered and controllable. Oh, questions, questions...


You must've just watched the ep too, lol. Yeah I'm totally weirded out by that whole thing too. I got the same "is she or isn't she" vibe as well. I think that's what we're supposed to be askin' ourselves here. Remember the other female terminator that cameron killed? That was a sad definition of a terminator if you ask me, poorly acted maybe? But Riley seems human to me. She's more humanlike than cameron, so if she IS a robot then maybe she's an advanced model? But could she be so advanced that John wouldn't know her to be one? Jess is totally up to somethin' for sure...I just don't know what. And didn't Ellison get a shock? LOL

Do we know how many more eps there are this season?
Silmarwen
Well I was very pleased with last night's episode. Anyone else? Some were complaining that characters aren't acting as they should. Is this surprising? I've felt that way since the beginning of the show, but I've let it slide because this is a whole new/different story line for me and I want to see how it goes...
DarthMarley
SCC and Fringe are probably the strongest SF shows currently on the air.
Silmarwen
*applauds DM*

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WolfeFPS
Leave it to T:TSCC to begin an episode with a blatant factual error. blink.gif

Every time you think the show might be gaining strength, it does something boneheadedly stupid.
WolfeFPS
QUOTE(DarthMarley @ Dec 2 2008, 03:13 PM) *
SCC and Fringe are probably the strongest SF shows currently on the air.

If only because there are no other SF shows currently on the air.
Raycheetah
SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT!




















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Summer Glau Explains The Nature Of Robot Love
By Charlie Jane Anders, 11:51 AM on Tue Feb 3 2009, 4,602 views

Does Summer Glau's Terminator feel love? Will Terminator season two end with a cliffhanger? Is Glau sick of playing strong women? Glau and producer Josh Friedman answered these burning questions on a conference call. Spoilers...


Does Cameron really love John?

One of the most jarring moments in the show was during the season premiere, where Glau's Terminator, Cameron, said she loves John Connor. Was she just trying to avoid being killed? Or did she mean it, sort of?

Glau surprised me, by saying that "Cameron's deep love for John is because he is her whole reason for existing... I think that is love, and I think she would do anything for him, and in her reality, I think that's what love is for her." She added that she's not sure where Friedman is going with the character, but she always plays it as if she does feel something for John.

The move to Friday nights, and the show's future:

"We were getting our asses kicked on Monday nights," Friedman says. Friday nights have different expectations, ratings-wise, plus it gives Fox an opportunity to promote Terminator and Dollhouse together, creating a science-fiction block that might appeal to the same audience.

Friedman remains optimistic about the show getting a third season, but also addressed the possibility that it might not happen. He says he wrote the season finale "the way I was planning on writing the finale for a long time... You owe the audience a logical conclusion to the things we have been building towards." It's true that fans get upset when a show has an open-ended conclusion and doesn't come back, but "fans also get upset if we write a crappy finale. If I tried to sum up every single thing in 43 minutes, it would be a disaster. It would end up like a clip show."

He also reiterated that the rest of the season is more serialized, with fewer standalone episodes, than the first half was.

Shocking things in the season finale:

Glau says she just read the script for the season finale and she was "shocked." Not to mention excited and "a little sad." It sounds as though something tragic and/or sad happens to Cameron this season. "I think everybody's going to be shocked at what happens at the end of this season." And Cameron has some great scenes in that episode.

Also, she has lots and lots of gun battles and smackdowns in the last nine episodes, way more than in the first half of the season. "People are going to be on a roller-coaster" in the final episodes.

The awesomeness of Summer Glau:

Friedman says he saw Summer audition several years ago, and really wanted to cast her in something. But instead, she went off to do the Serenity movie and The 4400. Friedman carried her audition tape around with him for a few weeks afterwards. And when the time came to do the Terminator show, he wrote the part of Cameron for her. "She's one of those few people who can be completely still, and still hard to take your eyes off."

Glau says that playing a robot is more challenging in some ways than playing a regular human, because she has to plan out everything in advance. She can't just react naturally or convey normal emotions.

In the pilot episode, Friedman says, he and producer James Middleton saw Glau do something incredibly clever during one take. They weren't sure if she was doing it on purpose, but then during the next take, she did it again. That was when Friedman realized how awesome Glau was going to be at playing this character, and how little hand-holding she was going to need.

Also, that scene in a recent episode where Cameron says she feels, because she wouldn't be much good if she didn't? That's part of Cameron's scheme. "I think she has a plan for drawing John closer to her, and so I've been trying to incorporate that all season," says Glau.

Also, someone asked Glau, "Do you ever get tired of playing deceptively strong asskickers?" And this was her whole answer: "No." Then she was pressed to elaborate, and she said something about how she enjoys playing complicated characters. But also, Cameron has gotten to be the damsel in distress on some occasions, and she's gotten to be sort of a princess and do ballet.

Other stuff:

Friedman says he'd like to be able to revisit the "Alison from Palmdale" character at some point — the future human whose appearance, and apparently memories, Cameron borrowed from.

Another character who might be revisited at some point: the engineer who built the time machine in the bank vault in 1963, which we saw in the show's pilot episode. The writers regularly debate whether to bring that engineer character back. Some writers pitch Friedman stories about that characters, but others never want to see him on the show. Friedman is obsessed with "the engineer" and definitely would like to bring him onto the show sometime — but not in the second season.

Cameron has "very few advantages" in a straight-up brawl with Shirley Manson's Catherine Weaver. It would be like a replay of the fight in Terminator 2.


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buffyverseforever
I'd like to see Allison myself....


Best wishes,

Scott
Motoki
Anyone here still watching this show? I think the last few episodes have been getting really good. Only two more left to go for the big season finale.

I am hoping for a 3rd season but I think that's iffy at this point. :(
DarthMarley
Yes, it has gotten better at the end.

Too late though.
It will be the series end.
herbsinger42
I do think there are definitive improvements... and, the writers seem to be hitting their stride regarding the arch. I fear a great many shows were curved out of norm with the strike, re-grouping and trying to write in all that would have happened, and then making their way through the new stuff as well. I do know that the show has taken some liberties with the mythos of the Terminator... but it is out of Hollywood, so one does have to expect it.

The question I ask myself NOW is the "liquid" female the same on that was in the box? Is John Henry's brother... ours or theirs?/ ie; John Connor's creation in the future, or Skynet's?

I don't ask perfection out of anything on TV... too many people to please. I just like to enjoy some operable believable drama-- a little action-- and I'm a happy camper. I prefer the mythos holds together... but if soap operas can stay on the air, I guess we have to deal with some... bumps in logic.
Rowan
I have to say that after Charley was killed and then Derek I was writing the show off. Then they "bring back" Derek by making John leap into the future?
It just felt like a ploy to kill off and bring back anyone they want whenever they want and will totally kill my concerns about any of them "dying" I'll always think oh well they'll just jump again and they'll have that character back. How is this any different than what they do in soap operas or even video games. Does anyone take that kind of thing seriously? How am I supposed to care or worry about anyone when anything that happens can be undone?
Motoki
I still like the show. I think it's smart and well done. I did like the unceremonious way Derek went out.

Bringing him back? Hmm, I don't know how I feel about that. I mean given the nature of the show and the timelines and such it sort of works, in a way. And it's kind of cool that John gets to meet Allison.

This Derek doesn't know John and he might be a different person due to different experiences, but anyway I think this timeline is temporary until John Henry and Cameron get what they were looking for and everyone jumps back. I would hope they don't drag Derek 2.0 back with them but John might get all sentimental and want to, and bring the dad too, ugh.

Overall I still like the show. It surprises me a lot, in good ways and makes me think about things here and there without beating me over the head. I like the characters too.

I kind of don't like talking about it outside of T:SCC boards though because I get sick of defending it.

It irks me that BSG was really such utter craptacular garbage for several years and it still has a good reputation somehow among the general public and yet people get all pissy over Terminator.

It's not perfect and they make some missteps here and there but overall I like it.

In any case, it's highly doubtful it will be renewed so I think we'll all be done with it now whether we like it or not. :(
RaiderDave2112
So farwell then, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Yea shall be missed, but not by me as I stopped watching halfway through the second season as the show got a bit crap but some people still liked the show and will no doubt be upset that you are gone.
CaptainTightpants
Blech. I am bummed, I think this was one of the best things on TV (right now).
Silmarwen
*sighs* Well it did get good at the end & I was looking forward to see that story, but you can't win all the time. At least we'll still have Dollhouse.
Rowan
Well shit! I'm seriously bummed! The only scifi left to watch.
WolfeFPS
I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm glad it's gone. It's been like the Galactica 1980 of the Terminator franchise, to me.
CaptainTightpants
I actually think it elevated the terminator franchise, personally.

I'm a big Whedon fan, but really have not been at all impressed with Dollhouse. Oh, I keep watching, but I'm generally disappointed and the finale did not make me think they were going to move beyond really really fun and kicky sex slavery as the weekly topic.

I'm okay with giving Whedon more time to get that show working, but if we can't have both, I would rather have SCC than Dollhouse. Not to mention that if Whedon does ever get Dollhouse working, that's when it will get cancelled
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