George RR Martin - A Song of Fire and Ice, HBO Greenlights Series Pilot Script |
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George RR Martin - A Song of Fire and Ice, HBO Greenlights Series Pilot Script |
Feb 20 2009, 01:39 PM
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Any GRRM fans out there? The long talked about HBO production (the first news came from way back when in 2007 in Variety) has started to move forward.... A script for the pilot episode based on his series A Song of Fire and Ice has been started... check out the 2nd story for a glimpse at it
From Variety: HBO turns 'Fire' into fantasy series Cabler acquires rights to Martin's 'Ice' By MICHAEL FLEMING HBO has acquired the rights to turn George R.R. Martin's bestselling fantasy series "A Song of Fire & Ice" into a dramatic series to be written and exec produced by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. "Fire" is the first TV project for Benioff ("Troy") and Weiss ("Halo") and will shoot in Europe or New Zealand. Benioff and Weiss will write every episode of each season together save one, which the author (a former TV writer) will script. The series will begin with the 1996 first book, "A Game of Thrones," and the intention is for each novel (they average 1,000 pages each) to fuel a season's worth of episodes. Martin has nearly finished the fifth installment, but won't complete the seven-book cycle until 2011. The author will co-exec produce the series along with Management 360's Guymon Casady and Created By's Vince Gerardis. Martin's series has drawn comparisons to J.R.R. Tolkien, because both are period epics set in imagined lands. But Martin has eschewed Tolkien's good-vs.-evil theme in favor of flawed characters from seven noble families. The book has a decidedly adult bent, with sex and violence comparable to series like "Rome" and "Deadwood." "They tried for 50 years to make 'Lord of the Rings' as one movie before Peter Jackson found success making three," Martin said. "My books are bigger and more complicated, and would require 18 movies. Otherwise, you'd have to choose one or two characters." Aside from writing the most recent draft of "Halo," Weiss recently adapted the William Gibson novel "Pattern Recognition" for WB and director Peter Weir. Benioff and Weiss were repped by CAA and Management 360. from monkeyfister.com script pfd --> http://termopilas.tales-tra.com/users/pars...ilot_script.pdf HBO Is Developing A Script For George R. R. Martin's "A Game Of Thrones"... HBO and George R.R.Martin are developing the script for an upcoming "A Song Of Ice And Fire" series. This is the working script for "A Game Of Thrones," ASoIaF Book I. Script (.PDF) EXT. CLEARING - DAY Snow drifts across the bodies of the fallen dead. Eight corpses lie frozen on the ground-- men, women, and children, wearing heavy furs. The wind whips through their long hair. At the edge of the clearing, WILL (20), a young ranger dressed all in black, surveys the grim scene from the back of his gelding. He gathers his reins and guides his horse south. EXT. FOREST - DUSK Will rides hard between the towering pines, his horse’s hooves kicking up fresh-fallen snow. He comes to a halt and dismounts beside two tethered horses. His comrades, GARED (50) and SER WAYMAR ROYCE (18), crouch beside a stream, filling their skins with cold water. They rise and look to the newcomer expectantly. Ser Waymar is gray-eyed and graceful, with an aristocrat’s air of command despite his youth. He wears a supple coat of gleaming black ringmail and a lush sable cloak. Will and Gared also wear the black of the Night’s Watch, but their clothes are far less regal, their leather and fur battered from hard usage. Gared wears a hood for warmth. WILL We should start back. They’re all dead. Gared offers Will his water skin and Will takes a drink. SER WAYMAR Any blood? WILL Not that I saw. SER WAYMAR How close did you get? WILL Close enough to see they was dead. SER WAYMAR (skeptical) Or sleeping? GARED If Will says they’re dead, they’re dead. We should head back to the Wall. SER WAYMAR (with the hint of a smile) Do the dead frighten you? GARED Mormont said we should track ‘em. We tracked ‘em. They won’t trouble us no more. SER WAYMAR You don’t think Mormont will ask us how they died? He walks toward his horse. Gared and Will exchange a troubled glance. EXT. EMPTY CAMP - NIGHT Moonlight shines down on the clearing, the ashes of the firepit, the snow-covered lean-to. If there were corpses on the ground before, they’re gone now. The three riders enter the camp. Their horses seem spooked, as if they smell a predator nearby. SER WAYMAR Your dead men seem to have moved camp. Will looks around, confused. He knows what he saw. WILL They were here... Spotting something shimmering on the ground near the firepit, he walks his horse closer, dismounts and looks down. Lying at his feet is the hilt of a steel longsword. The blade has been shattered into a thousand shards. Will stares at the shattered sword. He knows what this means; the dread on his face is unmistakable. From his horse, Gared looks at the ground. The indentations where the bodies once lay are still visible-- as are the faint but unmistakable footprints leading away from them. GARED We have to move. Now. He is interrupted by a neigh. Will’s horse, riderless and panicked, bolts from the camp site. 2. Ser Waymar’s horse rears back on its hind legs, throwing its rider to the ground before galloping after the first horse. Gared struggles to keep his own horse under control. Ser Waymar stands unsteadily, brushing the snow from his cloak. WILL (terrified) Gods... He’s staring into the darkness at the edge of the clearing. Ser Waymar turns to see what the young tracker sees: a shadow emerging from the forest. A figure steps into the moonlight, tall and gaunt, with flesh pale as milk. It slides toward the rangers on silent feet. Its armor appears to be carved from ice. Its sword is translucent, a shard of crystal so thin it almost seems to vanish when seen edge-on. Ser Waymar’s voice cracks like a boy’s: SER WAYMAR Stay where you are! The OTHER keeps coming. Ser Waymar draws his sword with trembling hands. Will, standing near the fire pit, and Gared, still on horseback, draw their own swords. The Other halts. For the first time we see its eyes, bluer than any human eyes, a blue that burns like ice. They emerge silently from the shadows, on all sides of the clearing. Five of them... six... seven... their strange swords shimmering in the moonlight. Gared can no longer control his panicked horse; it bolts from the clearing, ignoring its rider’s commands. The Others watch Gared flee. They turn back to Ser Waymar and Will and begin to advance on the young men. As the circle closes, the Others speak to each other in a language we’ve never heard, with voices like cracking ice. Waymar and Will stand together, class distinctions forgotten, two boys about to die. They steady their sword hands and mutter quick prayers as the Others descend upon them. CREDIT SEQUENCE CLOSE on a pair of ancient, gnarled hands writing a message on a small parchment scroll. The old man (we never see his face) tightly rolls the scroll, binds it with a black ribbon, and ties it with a leather strip to the leg of a BLACK RAVEN. The old man lifts the raven off his desk; it flaps its dark wings and flies out of the open chamber window. The raven flies away from Castle Black, a large and ancient fortress dwarfed by what lies behind it: the Wall. Older than history, this is the 800-foot-high barrier of ice and stone that guards the northern edge of the Seven Kingdoms. As the raven gains altitude, the landscape below it TRANSFORMS into a map of Westeros. The Wall is revealed to cross the entire continent, a boundary between the Haunted Forest to the north and the civilized lands to the south. The raven flies south over the map, on which the cities, regions and features of the land are named: Winterfell, the Kingsroad, Moat Cailin, the Riverlands, the Vale of Arryn. Occasionally the bird dips down, and the map resolves back into reality for just long enough to give us a view of some points of interest: Winterfell’s old stone towers, full of cold beauty. The foreboding Eyrie castle high atop the Vale of Arryn, a feat of montane architecture that would have been impossible for medieval engineers. When the raven reaches King’s Landing, the map resolves back into reality as the bird drops down into the dirty sprawl of the capital. The raven flies through the open gates of the Red Keep, a massive compound with red walls the color of blood. The bird flies through an open window into the throne room, to land on the Iron Throne itself-- a throne built from the hammered swords of a thousand defeated enemies. The raven pecks at its wings, cleaning itself after the long journey, alone in the empty throne room. END CREDIT SEQUENCE Just like the original preface. Looks like the start to something really good to watch on HBO. Here's to hoping it goes into production. I just might be forced to actually buy a TV and cable for the duration of the series. Martin's series of books is absolutely stunning in it's brutal detail and story-telling, and an excellent piece of Fantasy lore. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the fantasy genre. Glad that GRRM is attached to the deal, and hope that they stay true to the stories... apparently it will be a book per season... and anyone who has read the series knows, the books are big enough and have enough characters and plot lines for at least a full 22 episode run, if not more... -------------------- |
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Feb 20 2009, 05:15 PM
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![]() Shiny One Group: Mod Posts: 5,704 Joined: 15-February 08 From: SC Member No.: 2,089 |
QUOTE ...and will shoot in Europe or New Zealand. Lovely places... Without heavy unionization of labor and attendant ridiculous costs. Otherwise, they could do what they did in the old days, and film in the US. Our economy sux. ='[.]'= -------------------- The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.
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Feb 20 2009, 06:14 PM
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Sweet! Thanks for the info!
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Feb 20 2009, 06:16 PM
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Are the books any good?
Best wishes, Scott |
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Feb 20 2009, 11:49 PM
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Are the books any good? Best wishes, Scott the books kick some serious ass, iffn you like fantasy novels that is... -------------------- |
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Feb 21 2009, 09:51 PM
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Ensign Group: Humanoid Posts: 271 Joined: 14-August 08 Member No.: 2,951 |
Cool-thanks :)
Best wishes, Scott |
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Feb 21 2009, 11:56 PM
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Any GRRM fans out there? The long talked about HBO production (the first news came from way back when in 2007 in Variety) has started to move forward.... A script for the pilot episode based on his series A Song of Fire and Ice has been started... check out the 2nd story for a glimpse at it From Variety: HBO turns 'Fire' into fantasy series Cabler acquires rights to Martin's 'Ice' By MICHAEL FLEMING HBO has acquired the rights to turn George R.R. Martin's bestselling fantasy series "A Song of Fire & Ice" into a dramatic series to be written and exec produced by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. "Fire" is the first TV project for Benioff ("Troy") and Weiss ("Halo") and will shoot in Europe or New Zealand. Benioff and Weiss will write every episode of each season together save one, which the author (a former TV writer) will script. The series will begin with the 1996 first book, "A Game of Thrones," and the intention is for each novel (they average 1,000 pages each) to fuel a season's worth of episodes. Martin has nearly finished the fifth installment, but won't complete the seven-book cycle until 2011. The author will co-exec produce the series along with Management 360's Guymon Casady and Created By's Vince Gerardis. Martin's series has drawn comparisons to J.R.R. Tolkien, because both are period epics set in imagined lands. But Martin has eschewed Tolkien's good-vs.-evil theme in favor of flawed characters from seven noble families. The book has a decidedly adult bent, with sex and violence comparable to series like "Rome" and "Deadwood." "They tried for 50 years to make 'Lord of the Rings' as one movie before Peter Jackson found success making three," Martin said. "My books are bigger and more complicated, and would require 18 movies. Otherwise, you'd have to choose one or two characters." Aside from writing the most recent draft of "Halo," Weiss recently adapted the William Gibson novel "Pattern Recognition" for WB and director Peter Weir. Benioff and Weiss were repped by CAA and Management 360. from monkeyfister.com script pfd --> http://termopilas.tales-tra.com/users/pars...ilot_script.pdf HBO Is Developing A Script For George R. R. Martin's "A Game Of Thrones"... HBO and George R.R.Martin are developing the script for an upcoming "A Song Of Ice And Fire" series. This is the working script for "A Game Of Thrones," ASoIaF Book I. Script (.PDF) EXT. CLEARING - DAY Snow drifts across the bodies of the fallen dead. Eight corpses lie frozen on the ground-- men, women, and children, wearing heavy furs. The wind whips through their long hair. At the edge of the clearing, WILL (20), a young ranger dressed all in black, surveys the grim scene from the back of his gelding. He gathers his reins and guides his horse south. EXT. FOREST - DUSK Will rides hard between the towering pines, his horse’s hooves kicking up fresh-fallen snow. He comes to a halt and dismounts beside two tethered horses. His comrades, GARED (50) and SER WAYMAR ROYCE (18), crouch beside a stream, filling their skins with cold water. They rise and look to the newcomer expectantly. Ser Waymar is gray-eyed and graceful, with an aristocrat’s air of command despite his youth. He wears a supple coat of gleaming black ringmail and a lush sable cloak. Will and Gared also wear the black of the Night’s Watch, but their clothes are far less regal, their leather and fur battered from hard usage. Gared wears a hood for warmth. WILL We should start back. They’re all dead. Gared offers Will his water skin and Will takes a drink. SER WAYMAR Any blood? WILL Not that I saw. SER WAYMAR How close did you get? WILL Close enough to see they was dead. SER WAYMAR (skeptical) Or sleeping? GARED If Will says they’re dead, they’re dead. We should head back to the Wall. SER WAYMAR (with the hint of a smile) Do the dead frighten you? GARED Mormont said we should track ‘em. We tracked ‘em. They won’t trouble us no more. SER WAYMAR You don’t think Mormont will ask us how they died? He walks toward his horse. Gared and Will exchange a troubled glance. EXT. EMPTY CAMP - NIGHT Moonlight shines down on the clearing, the ashes of the firepit, the snow-covered lean-to. If there were corpses on the ground before, they’re gone now. The three riders enter the camp. Their horses seem spooked, as if they smell a predator nearby. SER WAYMAR Your dead men seem to have moved camp. Will looks around, confused. He knows what he saw. WILL They were here... Spotting something shimmering on the ground near the firepit, he walks his horse closer, dismounts and looks down. Lying at his feet is the hilt of a steel longsword. The blade has been shattered into a thousand shards. Will stares at the shattered sword. He knows what this means; the dread on his face is unmistakable. From his horse, Gared looks at the ground. The indentations where the bodies once lay are still visible-- as are the faint but unmistakable footprints leading away from them. GARED We have to move. Now. He is interrupted by a neigh. Will’s horse, riderless and panicked, bolts from the camp site. 2. Ser Waymar’s horse rears back on its hind legs, throwing its rider to the ground before galloping after the first horse. Gared struggles to keep his own horse under control. Ser Waymar stands unsteadily, brushing the snow from his cloak. WILL (terrified) Gods... He’s staring into the darkness at the edge of the clearing. Ser Waymar turns to see what the young tracker sees: a shadow emerging from the forest. A figure steps into the moonlight, tall and gaunt, with flesh pale as milk. It slides toward the rangers on silent feet. Its armor appears to be carved from ice. Its sword is translucent, a shard of crystal so thin it almost seems to vanish when seen edge-on. Ser Waymar’s voice cracks like a boy’s: SER WAYMAR Stay where you are! The OTHER keeps coming. Ser Waymar draws his sword with trembling hands. Will, standing near the fire pit, and Gared, still on horseback, draw their own swords. The Other halts. For the first time we see its eyes, bluer than any human eyes, a blue that burns like ice. They emerge silently from the shadows, on all sides of the clearing. Five of them... six... seven... their strange swords shimmering in the moonlight. Gared can no longer control his panicked horse; it bolts from the clearing, ignoring its rider’s commands. The Others watch Gared flee. They turn back to Ser Waymar and Will and begin to advance on the young men. As the circle closes, the Others speak to each other in a language we’ve never heard, with voices like cracking ice. Waymar and Will stand together, class distinctions forgotten, two boys about to die. They steady their sword hands and mutter quick prayers as the Others descend upon them. CREDIT SEQUENCE CLOSE on a pair of ancient, gnarled hands writing a message on a small parchment scroll. The old man (we never see his face) tightly rolls the scroll, binds it with a black ribbon, and ties it with a leather strip to the leg of a BLACK RAVEN. The old man lifts the raven off his desk; it flaps its dark wings and flies out of the open chamber window. The raven flies away from Castle Black, a large and ancient fortress dwarfed by what lies behind it: the Wall. Older than history, this is the 800-foot-high barrier of ice and stone that guards the northern edge of the Seven Kingdoms. As the raven gains altitude, the landscape below it TRANSFORMS into a map of Westeros. The Wall is revealed to cross the entire continent, a boundary between the Haunted Forest to the north and the civilized lands to the south. The raven flies south over the map, on which the cities, regions and features of the land are named: Winterfell, the Kingsroad, Moat Cailin, the Riverlands, the Vale of Arryn. Occasionally the bird dips down, and the map resolves back into reality for just long enough to give us a view of some points of interest: Winterfell’s old stone towers, full of cold beauty. The foreboding Eyrie castle high atop the Vale of Arryn, a feat of montane architecture that would have been impossible for medieval engineers. When the raven reaches King’s Landing, the map resolves back into reality as the bird drops down into the dirty sprawl of the capital. The raven flies through the open gates of the Red Keep, a massive compound with red walls the color of blood. The bird flies through an open window into the throne room, to land on the Iron Throne itself-- a throne built from the hammered swords of a thousand defeated enemies. The raven pecks at its wings, cleaning itself after the long journey, alone in the empty throne room. END CREDIT SEQUENCE Just like the original preface. Looks like the start to something really good to watch on HBO. Here's to hoping it goes into production. I just might be forced to actually buy a TV and cable for the duration of the series. Martin's series of books is absolutely stunning in it's brutal detail and story-telling, and an excellent piece of Fantasy lore. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the fantasy genre. Glad that GRRM is attached to the deal, and hope that they stay true to the stories... apparently it will be a book per season... and anyone who has read the series knows, the books are big enough and have enough characters and plot lines for at least a full 22 episode run, if not more... Excellent. If Hollywood can't support anything original, there is a wealth of good writing and story ideas in the fantasy genre. -------------------- Honor is the gift you give yourself.
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Feb 22 2009, 12:53 PM
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This is one fantasy series I have never got around to reading, I might just give it a go. One series I would like to see made would be the Wheel Of Time series by Robert Jordan. (hopefully the new author should be releasing the last book this year.)
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Pinhead: Oh, Kirsty. So eager to play, so reluctant to admit it. Female Cenobite: Perhaps you're teasing us. Are you teasing us? Pinhead: Two minutes. Two centuries. It all ticks by so quickly. You are so very like your ancestors, did you know that? I have the distinct sense of déjà vu. The same defiance, the same faithless hope in the light? Dr Paul Merchant: And what do you have faith in? Pinhead: Nothing. I am SO exquisitely empty. |
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Feb 22 2009, 03:40 PM
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Admiral Group: Mod Posts: 6,628 Joined: 16-February 08 Member No.: 2,124 |
This is one fantasy series I have never got around to reading, I might just give it a go. One series I would like to see made would be the Wheel Of Time series by Robert Jordan. (hopefully the new author should be releasing the last book this year.) I started both but gave up after a few books. Robert Jordan's first book was awesome, and I liked his ideas, but his interpersonal relationships were boring and lacking in depth to me after the first few books. I don't remember why I gave up on the other series. -------------------- Honor is the gift you give yourself.
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Feb 22 2009, 03:57 PM
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![]() Shiny One Group: Mod Posts: 5,704 Joined: 15-February 08 From: SC Member No.: 2,089 |
I started both but gave up after a few books. Robert Jordan's first book was awesome, and I liked his ideas, but his interpersonal relationships were boring and lacking in depth to me after the first few books. I don't remember why I gave up on the other series. I always resisted Wheel of Time simply because it was SO trendy. That, and I saw Robert Jordan speak at Dragon*Con. Ghods, the man droned! If he wrote like he spoke, I can see what you mean about the characters! No way I was gonna commit to twelve THICK books like that! =@[.]@= -------------------- The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.
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Feb 22 2009, 04:09 PM
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![]() Colonel Group: Cylon Posts: 3,200 Joined: 30-April 08 From: BaseStar 101 Member No.: 2,596 |
I started both but gave up after a few books. Robert Jordan's first book was awesome, and I liked his ideas, but his interpersonal relationships were boring and lacking in depth to me after the first few books. I don't remember why I gave up on the other series. That has always been my bugbear about the series, however the overall series is good enough to see me through the 11 books that RJ wrote and hopefully that last book. -------------------- Female Cenobite: "Didn't open the box." And what was it last time, "Didn't know what the box was?" And yet, we do keep finding each other, don't we?
Pinhead: Oh, Kirsty. So eager to play, so reluctant to admit it. Female Cenobite: Perhaps you're teasing us. Are you teasing us? Pinhead: Two minutes. Two centuries. It all ticks by so quickly. You are so very like your ancestors, did you know that? I have the distinct sense of déjà vu. The same defiance, the same faithless hope in the light? Dr Paul Merchant: And what do you have faith in? Pinhead: Nothing. I am SO exquisitely empty. |
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Feb 22 2009, 05:30 PM
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That has always been my bugbear about the series, however the overall series is good enough to see me through the 11 books that RJ wrote and hopefully that last book. We seem to have similar taste. -------------------- Honor is the gift you give yourself.
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Feb 22 2009, 05:34 PM
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I always resisted Wheel of Time simply because it was SO trendy. That, and I saw Robert Jordan speak at Dragon*Con. Ghods, the man droned! If he wrote like he spoke, I can see what you mean about the characters! No way I was gonna commit to twelve THICK books like that! =@[.]@= His books were dense, but filled with the details that make fantasy so much better in books than in movies. The first book was really good, but I lost interest in the characters a few books into it. If you can accept that then you could read the first few books with enjoyment. -------------------- Honor is the gift you give yourself.
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Feb 23 2009, 09:59 AM
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![]() Chief Petty Officer ![]() Group: Browncoat Posts: 176 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Swingin' in Kaylees' hammock Member No.: 305 |
This is one fantasy series I have never got around to reading, I might just give it a go. One series I would like to see made would be the Wheel Of Time series by Robert Jordan. (hopefully the new author should be releasing the last book this year.) The GRRM books are a good read... they are slightly less than epic in scope, but he does a great job filling out the histories of the peoples in his story, which helps create a nice deep well to draw from... definately worth the read RaiderDave... and i agree, Wheel of time would be great, but the books are so large, im not sure how it could be done and the scope of the work kept intact... I started both but gave up after a few books. Robert Jordan's first book was awesome, and I liked his ideas, but his interpersonal relationships were boring and lacking in depth to me after the first few books. I don't remember why I gave up on the other series. I always resisted Wheel of Time simply because it was SO trendy. That, and I saw Robert Jordan speak at Dragon*Con. Ghods, the man droned! If he wrote like he spoke, I can see what you mean about the characters! No way I was gonna commit to twelve THICK books like that! =@[.]@= I have read all 12 Wheel of Time books so far (yes, 12... 11 in the series and the New Spring Dawning precursor)... the length, scope and the interpersonal relationships in the books arent really a distraction for me... some books were great, some good, some not so good... but thats to be expected in such a large series... what has ticked me off about the series is the fact that i started reading it more than 20 years ago... over TWO DECADES... -------------------- |
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